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Intelligence Agencies and NICAP

From: Gary <galevy@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:23:37 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:03:47 -0400
Subject: Intelligence Agencies and NICAP

> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:42:35 -0700
> From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Intelligence Agencies and NICAP

> Greetings:

>     For the three people who even care I would like to
> address some of the some of the basic beliefs and articles of
> faith of ufology.

Since when is ufology a "faith".  Are you establishing it as such with
you as the director of correct thought for the faithful?

>     For some the US intelligence agencies are sort of all
> seeing all knowing gods.

Am I among the some? Seems to me your strawman gods couldn't find the
traitor Aldrich Ames who sabotaged American counterintelligence against
the Soviets and was directly responsible for the deaths of at least a
dozen Russians who worked for the United States. They are much less than
gods but more than mice.  They are men who like to accomplish their
goals covertly, out of the publics observation.

> Gee whiz books about World War II
> seem to imply intelligence won the war.  One of Walter
> Cronkite's most famous news/history specials was "Air Power".
>  Air power won the war.  Walk around the Field Artillery
> Center at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and you will find this quote
> posted all over the place:  "Who won the war?  The Field
> Artillery won the war?--Gen George Patton."   Of course,
> there is the old saw that the battle isn't won until the
> infantry controls the area.

>     Intelligence is absolutely vital, but is not infalliable.
> Even with ULTRA and all the other devices, programs,
> codebreakers, etc. the Allies still had major intellignece
> failures.

>     The formation of the CIA was suppose to prevent another
> Pearl Harbor. If you read the press at the time, some expressed
> the worry that the CIA would be dominated by the Armed Services.
> Newly promoted Rear Admiral Hillenkoetter was ranked by the
> Service intelligence chiefs.  If the CIA functioned the way
> the agency was "sold" to Congress, there would not have been
> a need for Defense Intelligence Agency.

>     The intelligence "comunity" is not a monolithic
> structure.  The intelligence sections of each agency
> respond to the agency head.  The are always competing
> interests.  The DCI is the Czar of Intelligence.  A check
> of history shows that is not alway so.  Since the CIA was
> formed there have been some intelligence coups and some real
> disasters and some real abuses of power: Prague Spring,
> collections of intelligence on civilians by the military,
> the Fall of the Wall, the Collaspe of the Soviet Union are
> a few.

So just because things are not hunky-dory in the intelligence community
you would have one believe that they could never have influenced or
controlled the study of the UFO phenomenon.  What a reach.

>     When we look at the military, intelligence and counter
> intelligence failures are legion.  B-52 raids:  The North
> Vietnamese knew we were coming and they knew where, but
> worse of all the intelligence failures was the idea that
> it did not matter.  If the B-52s attacked, the roads and
> infra-structure of the "damn dings" were destroyed, and this
> was so noted on situation maps.  Except the "damn dings"--who
> were very resourceful people and not stupid peasants--
> would not despair; they simply organized battalions of
> workers to fill the holes enough for a makeshift path
> for bicycles and continued transporting the military
> equipments and troops south over routes that were "destroyed"
> on American situation maps.  In Asia they have what they call
> "industrial bicycles."  The amount material they can transport
> is truly amazing.  Several people suggested bicycles for the
> American "Light" Divisions.  The laughter still has not
> stopped.  (Asked the British, Indian, and Australian troops
> in Malay during World War II about the Japanese troops on
> bicycles.)

Here you repeat the same irrational arguement with different examples,
i.e., the intelligence services always screwup, can't run an operation,
are outwitted B-52 attacks, etc.  Why don't you also mention that those
"damn dings" had help from Soviet counterintelligence, the Soviets
acquired American communications codes from their agents, the Walker
family, in the US Navy.  Reading encrypted communications as if they
were out in the open the Soviets were able to advise their clients, the
North Vietnamese, how when and where to move their troops on the Ho Chi
Minh trail.  So not all intelligence is useless and ineffectual, nor is
it well publicized.  How many national newspapers go into detail on the
significance of the Walkers espionage?  You have to look in the
specialty literature for this.  Not every intelligence operation is
fantastic.

>    Now these are the same intelligence people that are
> running a giant watertight security UFO cover up campaign
> down to such low levels that just about everybody in the
> military with a security clearance is involved.

Here you create a fallacy of the ufo "faith" so you have something that
is absurd to take potshots at.  Remember some operations work and others
don't. Why are you creating this strawman - make it seem absurd that the
intelligence services would have an interest in the ufo phenomenon.  Who
except for you has said that "just about everybody in the military with
a security clearance is involved".  Operations are compartmentalized,
many operations are run outside of the military and intelligence
community by means of proprietary companies - very poplular and
effective modus operandi these days.  Ever hear of Air America,
E-Systems, phony shipping companies, Oliver North?

> We are talking about Americans here, aren't we?  If you get two
> together, there are three opinions on everything.  So how do
> you think they could run such a cover up.

Are you for real? You would have people believe that the roughly
100,000 people employed in the intelligence community alone (not
counting the military) with a budget estimated at roughly $40 billion
can't keep any secrets? Don't have the resources available to hide a few
things if they try hard? Yes we are talking Americans here, two people,
three opinions and that's where it ends. You imply that a difference of
opinions can be equated with an inability to keep secrets? Behave
loyally? Follow the orders of the Commander in Chief?

>     Enough prologue on to NICAP.  A number people interested
> in UFOs  attempted to set up a national center for
> collections and evaluations of reports.  How it would
> operate and exactly what it would do and who would be
> involved it was all up for graps.  Morris Jessup and several
> others had there own ideas of how it would run.  The leadership
> under T. T. Brown was wishy-washy.  So at one meeting Keyhoe
> stuck his foot in his mouth and told them all off.  He ended
> up running the thing.  He was able enlist some of his old
> military buddies some of whom had UFO experiences themselve.
> The job he thought might last six months.  Admiral D. S.
> Fahrney had a number of technicians who reported UFOs.
> Fahrney was rather active in the beginning of NICAP until
> his wife took sick.  Keyhoe intended his appointment would
> be temporary.

>     NICAP started off with a grandiose schemes.  General
> Wedermeyer (sp?) was susposed to head the evaluation section.
> Just the mention of his name brought forth some UFO reports
> from people.  NICAP was in debt when Keyhoe took over.
> Support promised never materialized.  Keyhoe promised a
> bimonthly 24 page magazine, and monthly bulletin.  When
> NICAP fell behind the publication schedule, Keyhoe cut the
> size of the publication and insisted on extending everyone's
> membership until they got until they got the exact number of
> pages promised.  So he got no renewals for over two and half
> years.  By which time the more debt mounted up even more.
> (Hynek and Vallee made little snipes in their books about
> how much money NICAP had.  Neither set foot in NICAP during
> the years Hall and Keyhoe were there.  They could have used
> the telephone to verify this, but it appears that for ufologists
> the telephone is a difficult instrument to master.)  Also,
> at the time NICAP had no tax examption.  They had to pay
> federal tax and all local and other taxes.

>     At the formation of NICAP there were a number of
> intelligence people and even maybe some people that once
> took the CIA dime.  However, NICAP soon became Major Keyhoe,
> Lee Munick and Rose Campbell.  Please pick out the CIA agent!
> Later Richard Hall replaced Lee Munick.  Now pick out the CIA
> agent!  The Board functioned in name only during most of
> Keyhoe's tenure.  Edwards, Baller, and Maney were the most
> active.  Pick out CIA member!  After the UFO Evidence,"
> membership and interest increase and it was possible to hire
> some more staff.  Keyhoe and Hall drew only part of their
> salaries and were owed thousands of dollars by NICAP.
> By the time of the Condon Committee the staff had swelled
> to about 12.  Some of the money coming in was overhead for
> copying NICAP material for the Condon Committee.  However,
> by the time of the release of the Condon report public
> interest in UFOs had receded as the War in Southeast Asia
> held America's attention.  Hall and Keyhoe had a split,
> and Hall was trying to work himself out of a job.  (Hall
> was not fired per some UFO book.  Again, that telephone thing...)

>    The Board had become more active in line with Keyhoe's,
> Hall's, and Gordon Lore's wishes.  When Lore became assistant
> director, he saw NICAP finacial position deteriorating.  He
> claimed that Keyhoe turned a deaf ear to him.  He then engineered
> a coup to remove Keyhoe.  He went to the Board and told them
> they could be held responsible for NICAP debts and poor
> management and they might become entangled with the IRS.
> The Board gave Lore the authority to lay off most of the staff
> and come up with a turn around strategy which would include
> producing booklets and reports for sale and reducing overhead.

>    Lore's effort showed little progress so the Board removed
> him and placed Stewart Nixon at the head.  Well, if you had
> asked Idabel Epperson, she would probably tell you that Nixon
> was a CIA plant.  He was about the last person to run a membership
> organization, but  he did get the finances under control with
> ruthless help of Hartcraft, Emerson and Dewey Fournet.

>     They hired Acuff's {mis]management firm to run
> administrative matters.   In the end a former CIA employee
> ended up running NICAP from his home.  Once CIA, I guess,
> always CIA.  However, the files were not destroyed or
> thrown away.  CUFOS with the help of several "angels"
> (mostly John Timmerman) came up with the money to buy the
> files.  Now if the CIA wanted to destroy NICAP why did they
> not destroy the files.  Why didn't the CIA destroy CUFOS?

Another list reader has responded to these points.
I will add, whoever said that anyone would want to destroy files?
Its just raw data which proves nothing.  The CIA - CUFOS question is
another strawman, absurb.  Hynek worked closely with the Air Force for
many years, consulted with the Robertson committee.  Why would they want
to destroy an organization when they had a cordial past working
relationship with its founder and that organizaition posed no threat.
It served as another good eyes and ears public intelligence organ.  Even
the most casual reading about intelligence methodology Jan will reveal
that the majority of intelligence information is harvested from open
sources.  Why kill the goose that's laying the golden eggs?
This was another absurdity you created for yourself.

>     I have been accused of revisionist history.  To revise
> something there first must be a *history.*  When I visited
> Hall, I got an ear full! No one, has ever come to him and
> asked about NICAP history.  Several of the people from this
> era are dead, Keyhoe, Emerson, Hartcraft, Bryan, Isabel Davis,
> James McDonald, Ray Angier, Idabel Epperson, Sherman Larson,
> Albert Baller, etc.  However, it is still possible to talk to
> Richard Hall, Ted Bloecher, George Earley, Dewey Fournet,
> Gordon Lore, Diana Knopf-Sinkler, Accuf, Don Berliner, and
> Stewart Nixon.  To the best of Hall's and my knowledge no one has.

> Todd Zeichell's little expose is based mostly on his own
> ideas and imagination.  He did not do much research, but
> his ideas have caught on in ufology.  Now I asked two of
> the very thorough UFO historians, Barry Greenwood and Loren
> Gross, where they got their information about the CIA and
> NICAP.  They both said they had not done any original research
> in this area, but had just repeated what was in the literature.

> The more it is repeated the better it becomes.  George Knapp
> at the 1994 MUFON Conference told his audience that the CIA
> destroyed NICAP and APRO.  Talk about revisonist history!

> The Lorenzens' died without naming a sucessor.  This is hardly
> a CIA plot.

Here you created another strawman, a CIA plot, so you could point
out its absurdity. This device is getting old. Do you really have point
or is it just your intention to create confusion.

> Best regards,

> Jan Aldrich

Gary Alevy