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Re: Elders Remarks on Mexico City Footage

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@ucs.orst.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:19:27 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 22:43:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Elders Remarks on Mexico City Footage

> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: Elders Remarks on Mexico City Footag
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:56:32 -0800

> >  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 11/2/97 11:10 AM:
> >  Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 13:37:31 -0700
> >  From: jared@valuserve.com (Andromeda.net- Anderson, Jared)
> >  To: Updates@globalserve.net
> >  Subject: Elders Remarks on Mexico City Footage

> >  One of the most impressive of the witness statements comes from a
> >  woman who was standing beneath the unknown. She reported developing a
> >  "sun burn" that lasted for more than a month after the experience.
> >  We asked H. David Froning, a retired senior staff scientist at
> >  McDonnell Douglas and propulsion specialist, his opinion of her
> >  statement. His feelings are that the "sun burn" could be the result of
> >  ionized radiation left in the wake of an electro-magnetic form of
> >  propulsion. The ionized air would would not block any ultra violet
> >  rays, thus creating a "sun burn" in short period of time. David
> >  comfortable releasing this information now as speculation is all we
> >  can do regarding the "sun burn" statement.

> Nothing up to this point really  bothered me, but this does. I
> have spent some time studying eye and skin irritation in relation
> to UFO sightings.

> What qualifies a "propulsion specialist" to comment on a medical
> condition? What medical documentation of the witness condition
> exists? If the witness was sunburned, how was it distinguished
> from a conventional sunburn?

Froning's explanation might hold for an ordinary source of
ultraviolet radiation, IF a pathlength of non-absorbent air, such
as the ionized channel he postulates, existed from the craft down
to the observer.  But it's very speculative to postulate such
conditions when we don't know beans about the radiation that
advanced technology might give off.  He's probably not qualified
to speak as a skin specialist either.

But let's not let such an observation sidetrack us from the fact
that the "sunburn" was reported to have occurred.  That's one of
the items to keep in mind, since we (and you) know of many other
similar occurrences connected with close encounters with UFOs.
It's a piece of supportive information that the event actually
occurred, to be added cumulatively to all the other pieces.

> >  Also of interest is that several witnesses reported a "haze" around
> >  the object.

> In a hazy and polluted sky? This is surprising?

Evidently, the observation refers to a haze in the immediate
vicinity of the UFO, above and beyond the general haze of the
smog, which, as Easton commented, wasn't so pronounced as to have
seriously obstructed vision from close range, or less than 1/4
mile away, say.  The point should be that a haze has similarly
been reported immediately enveloping a certain fraction of other
UFOs, as all of us here should know.  So it wouldn't be
surprising, and is indeed of interest, though the general
man-on-the-street UFO witness might not know about it.

> >  6) Preliminary estimations of size and distance have been triangulated
> >  by Village Labs in Tempe, Arizona. The object appears to be 36 to 50
> >  feet in diameter. The distance from the camera to the unknown is
> >  estimated between 800 and 1200 yards. We are working on a program that
> >  should provide better estimates.

> Can some photo expert on the list inform me as to how the
> distance could be triangulated using diverging sight lines such
> as seem to be the only sight lines available from the video?

This non-photo expert would merely remark here that it's likely
one or more of the witnesses who were closer to being directly
underneath the craft provided their estimate of how high up in
the sky it was when they were standing at such-and-such a spot.
The triangulation would then use that info plus the video tape.

Jim Deardorff

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