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Re: Elders Remarks on Mexico City Footage

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:51:14 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:22:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Elders Remarks on Mexico City Footage

>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 11/3/97 10:43 PM:
>  Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:19:27 -0800 (PST)
>  From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@ucs.orst.edu>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Elders Remarks on Mexico City Footage

>  Froning's explanation might hold for an ordinary source of
>  ultraviolet radiation, IF a pathlength of non-absorbent air, such
>  as the ionized channel he postulates, existed from the craft down
>  to the observer.  But it's very speculative to postulate such
>  conditions when we don't know beans about the radiation that
>  advanced technology might give off.  He's probably not qualified
>  to speak as a skin specialist either.

Yes, but even if there were such a path, and even if it were more
permeable to UV (which remains to be proven), and, yes, I agree
UFOs emit UV, if the UFO in question were emitting sufficient
UV to generate a sunburn, I would expect many witnesses to have
experienced the effect. We're told of one. All I want to know is
whether there is a reason to expect this to be a UFO UV burn and
not a conventional sunburn. And believe me, I want to know, even
if the explanation advanced sounds like a crock. If the witness
exists, and was medically examined, it would be interesting. Note
also that UV and other forms of radiation effect leave traces in
blood which can be measured. We don't know whether any tests
have been performed.

>  But let's not let such an observation sidetrack us from the fact
>  that the "sunburn" was reported to have occurred.  That's one of
>  the items to keep in mind, since we (and you) know of many other
>  similar occurrences connected with close encounters with UFOs.
>  It's a piece of supportive information that the event actually
>  occurred, to be added cumulatively to all the other pieces.

It would be, if we actually knew a reason to consider that this
is not a conventional sunburn. That's what I am waiting to hear

>  > >  Also of interest is that several witnesses reported a "haze" around
>  > >  the object.

>  > In a hazy and polluted sky? This is surprising?

>  Evidently, the observation refers to a haze in the immediate
>  vicinity of the UFO, above and beyond the general haze of the
>  smog, which, as Easton commented, wasn't so pronounced as to have
>  seriously obstructed vision from close range, or less than 1/4
>  mile away, say.  The point should be that a haze has similarly
>  been reported immediately enveloping a certain fraction of other
>  UFOs, as all of us here should know.  So it wouldn't be
>  surprising, and is indeed of interest, though the general
>  man-on-the-street UFO witness might not know about it.

The problem is trying to understand how it would be perceived.
There's no question from a simple look at the frames that there
is extensive atmospheric perspective operating. It is difficult
to assess how much it is affecting the object, because we don't
know the actual color of the object. For instance, if the rim
stripe is black, the haze effect is high. But if it is pale grey
but darker than the reflective surface, it is low.

The value of the sky is very bright in the video frames. In fact,
it seems very close to being as bright as the brightest object in
the scene (one of the slightly more distant buildings). If the
haze existed, it would not have a very high contrast with the sky
(or it would be visible in the images). In addition, unless the
haze effect were very large by comparison with the disk, its
angular extent would not be very large either.

I'm not saying it couldn't be seen, but it doesn't seem to be
something I expect people to have seen. Now, if the information
comes forth that those who saw this haze were, say, wearing
polaroid sunglasses, while those with non-polaroid or no
sunglasses saw nothing, then that might make it more interesting
and plausible.

>  > >  6) Preliminary estimations of size and distance have been triangulated
>  > >  by Village Labs in Tempe, Arizona. The object appears to be 36 to 50
>  > >  feet in diameter. The distance from the camera to the unknown is
>  > >  estimated between 800 and 1200 yards. We are working on a program that
>  > >  should provide better estimates.

>  > Can some photo expert on the list inform me as to how the
>  > distance could be triangulated using diverging sight lines such
>  > as seem to be the only sight lines available from the video?

>  This non-photo expert would merely remark here that it's likely
>  one or more of the witnesses who were closer to being directly
>  underneath the craft provided their estimate of how high up in
>  the sky it was when they were standing at such-and-such a spot.
>  The triangulation would then use that info plus the video tape.

The implication is that the work was done at Village Labs, which
I presume to be the home of the video analysis. Perhaps I am
incorrect in my assumption but the information provided is very
fragmentary. Perhaps the Elders would do well to release their
information here on Updates so that our various experts can add
value to the investigation rather than the whole thing being
treated like the Manhattan Project?

Thanks for your comments, though, Jim. I wish we all had more
hard info to chew on.

Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...

Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
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