From: Ted Viens <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:54:06 -0800 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:31:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee's photo 19 calculations > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:17:24 -0500 > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <email@example.com> > From: Bob Shell <firstname.lastname@example.org> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee's photo 19 calculations > >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:23:57 -0500 > >From: bruce maccabee <email@example.com> > >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee's photo 19 calculations > >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <firstname.lastname@example.org> > >>From: email@example.com [Barbara Becker] > >>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:01:08 -0600 > >>To: ufo updates <firstname.lastname@example.org> > >>Subject: Bruce Maccabee's photo 19 calculations > >>Bruce: > >>Our discussion has prompted me to review your calculations on > >>photo 19. I would like your permission to have the document > >>scanned to be uploaded here or at another (UFO dedicatd) site for > >>review. > >>I think there are a number of intelligent people out there who > >>will find your work...intruiging. > >>How about it? > >I'm not a sure what you are referring to. Were these calculations > >in a personal letter to you? > >I can, of course, upload the short papers I wrote back then > >detailing the analysis of the hood reflection and the study of > >the road reflection. One of these was published by MUFON. > >And, incidently, whil you're beating on Photo 19, I wonder if you > >have any comments on a similarly important photo, #1, or on photo > >11 (blue beam photo). > Excuse me, but does it seem odd to anyone other than me for > BB to ask Bruce to upload one of his papers, while refusing to > upload hers? > Bob Everything about BB strikes me as odd... Let me begin by praising Bruce Maccabee. He has responded forthrightly and honestly in light of the dishonest and immature attack against his part in the Gulf Breeze investigation by BB. He has taken much of his time to respond to the points presented by BB only to have his work dismissed out of hand because they violate her childlike beliefs. We all have been mistreated by BB. Her first messages here were claims that she was being censored by the list. Yet we discovered that it was her own misgivings preventing her from simply submitting her work. As her work begins to generate discussion here, she howls about copyright infringement. When the core premises of her arguments are shown to be erroneous or unsupported she responds derisively. When arguments weigh against her, she defaults to declarations of belief. She infers opposing investigations without producing them. I am developing the strange tastes of dealing with a conniving junior high school student. We deserve better. We deserve fair and honest dialogue. Bruce deserves more for his effort than "Nyah, nyah, I am right, you're wrong no matter what you tell me." Maybe it is not even a question of deserve. Maybe it should be a matter of our expectations. When someone charges in here with a personal crusade and begins to drag us in circles, I expect more of us to stand up and say this is taking us nowhere and ask for it to stop. I haven't the foggiest clue as to what motivates BB. I have learned a lot more about Bruce Maccabee and his work on GB from this exchange and I certainly thank BB for that. But now it becomes apparent that as this dialogue continues, BB's postings only mimic her initial positions. The archives would give me as much... So, Bruce, if you have presented your salient points on this issue; if you are beginning to feel like an unwilling whipping boy in someone elses holy war; I would certainly understand your moving on to other issues... Bye... Ted..
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