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From: xalium@netwrx.net (Tom King)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:31:52 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 01:48:04 -0500
Subject: Re: DISCOVERY CHANNEL feedback

>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:48:55 -0800
>From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: DISCOVERY CHANNEL feedback

>> From: fergus@ukraine.corp.mot.com
>> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:45:13 -0600 (CST)
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: DISCOVERY CHANNEL feedback

>> > From: William.Hamilton@pcsmail.pcshs.com
>> > Date: 3 Nov 1997 15:34:06 UT
>> > Subject: Re: DISCOVERY CHANNEL feedback
>> > To: updates@globalserve.net

>> Regarding the hypothesis that some of the bright lights seen in
>> the sky to the west of Phoenix on March 13 were flares, Bill
>> Hamilton writes:

>> > The magnesium flares burn bright white, not orange or yellow,
>> > but this has never been addressed by the skeptics.

>> Could white flares seen at a great distance look orange because of
>> Rayleigh scattering in the atmosphere?  (This is the effect which
>> causes the setting sun to look orange.)

>> -George Fergus

>Hmmm....  Multiple witnesses, multiple videos...

>Come on folks, lets all say it together.


>It doesn't take any wizz-bang high falutin computer video
>graphics wizardry to go to the sight of a few videos, identify
>landmarks and draw lines on a detailed map.  The program was
>playing a little coy with the story.  The map graphics showed the
>views of the witnesses converging just southwest of Phoenix east
>of the military range.  Yet they use only a single video to
>conclude that the lights were far west of the location indicated
>on the map.

>Bill and Tom really let me down.  If the program is correct, the
>two see something in the sky and neither one of them think to
>immediately jump in a car and drive a mile or so to another high
>spot so that they could triangulate the sighting.  Triangulation,
>the most powerful and accessible tool to measure most any
>phenomenon and yet so seldom planned for and used. Three or four
>widely placed people in high locations can cover a whole city.
>Each only needs a handy camcorder on a tripod and a telephone.
>Decades of unexplained aerial phenomena watching and
>triangulation remains only a footnote or afterthought.  Am I just
>being dense here?

That was briefly discussed during the sighting. We did drive to
another location after the event to scope out the area. I have
alot of experience in videotaping UFOs. I have been thru the
experience, and the rush of seeing it many times. There are
millions of things you think of after its all over, what you
could of done. If I only brought this with, sort of thing.

On the original audio from my tape you can here one witness
suggesting to go to Pecos road. I knew if we did, we probably
would lose it. We weren't familar with Steve's neighborhood.
Later on we found out that someone who works with Steve was
already down on Pecos road that night. He witnesses some of what
we videotaped that night.

>Where could the depths of paranoia take me?  March 14, 1997,
>triangulation quickly tells the many ufo experts that the lights
>appeared over the military range.  Huddling in a dark Italian
>bar, in whispered conversations, they swear an oath of allegiance
>to never mention triangulation...

>After all aren't we constantly reminded here on this mail list
>how easily ufologist come together for their own self interest.
>(Ow, I am killing myself.  Somebody stop me...)

>So, anyway, where are those triangulation maps from all those
>March 13 videos???

The triangulation maps haven't completly been released on the
Internet yet.

It is one of the few cards to check against the military. We know
where these objects are at exact times, locations, and
descriptions. The hundred of witnesses were interviewed  by Bill
and Village Labs.  A wealth of data exists but is used to cross
check new witnesses. We waited along time to get a few pieces of
information about that night from our military. If the
triangulation maps were released, then the Maryland National
Guard might have taken that data and worked it in their

Some other investigators checking into the military recently. The
 Military said before they launched their flares at 3,000 ft. Now
they're changing to 15,000 ft.  Also noted was "decoy flares" are
now changed to "decoy/illumination flares", that are white? Now
they don't want to seem to even talk about it anymore.

Tom King, Skywatcher
Arizona Skywatch director
AZ Skywatch http://personal.netwrx.net/xalium/skywatch/skywatch.htm
OVNI Chapterhouse at http://personal.netwrx.net/xalium/ufovideo.htm

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