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Re: Saucer Error Error

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:25:36 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:16:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Saucer Error Error

>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 11/9/97 10:59 AM:
>  From: wlmss@peg.apc.org [Lawrie Williams]
>  Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:06:25 +1000 (GMT+1000)
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Saucer Error Error

>  On January 7 1948 Captain Mantell went aloft to do the famous
>  American John Wayne thing riding in his mustang. As he approached
>  the flying injun he just had to gun down he reported:

>  15.11 Hrs "Mantell here. Now I've got it! It's a disc,
>      enormously large. Hard to say, could be 80 yards in diameter.
>      Upper surface has a ring and a dome. Turning fantastically fast,
>      apparently around a central vertical axis..."

>  The wreck was said to be peppered with fine holes caused by
>  flying into the wash from the ufo's propulsion system. That must
>  have been a pretty dangerous piece of folkloric hardware. I have
>  speculated that the accident actually occurred when Mantell
>  "grounded" his craft with the UFO by firing a wire-guided missile
>  at it, as in Project Moby Dick. But then I have to remind myself
>  that it was really only a weather balloon.

Actually, Lawrie, I wonder where you obtained this information,
since none of it, so far as I know, has ever been documented by
any official researchers.

There were no recordings of Mantell's conversations with the
tower, but the Air Force records of the conversations, according
to Ruppelt, who did the most complete and close to the event
investigation still extant, mentions nothing of any of the
material you raise.

Officially, and unsurprisingly, Mantell's death is attributed to
his lack of oxygen, when he attempted to rise to the extremely
high altitude of a skyhook balloon. While there remains some
question about this explanation, in light of the ancillary
accounts, there is nothing inherently implausible about the cause
of death, regardless of the nature of the object. As for the
wreckage of the aircraft, there was apparently nothing surprising
about the nature of the wreckage to the crash investigators, and
the photos / sketches of the crash site do not show anything

I don't recall any reference which claimed the aircraft skin was
peppered with small holes.

Perhaps you could provide a reference for this?

Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
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