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Re: Clark on Abductions

From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com> [Peter Brookesmith]
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:04:31 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:07:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Clark on Abductions


With the compliments of the Duke of Mendoza:

>From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
>Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:09:56 PST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Clark on Abductions 1/2

As exercises in not addressing the issues - of "set and setting" in
hypnosis (Larson) and Bullard's fundamental error in conducting his
research for his "Sympathetic Ear" piece, just to cite two examples
- both this & Jerome's other response must stand as classics.

I am also wondering (pure speculationism of course) if Jerome is
having difficulty reading through a red mist of rage. He complains
at me constantly while quoting from my quotation from Martin
Kottmeyer, for instance - clearly enough marked as such, I should
have thought: Jerome, in his passion for quoting *almost* the whole
of what one writes apart from the odd jokes and the really
embarrassing questions, even quotes the attribution. But I'll pass
on the comments to Martin K. and perhaps in due course we'll see
what he makes of them.

The weirdest and most irksome example of misreading, however, is
this:

>What strikes me is that Duke hasn't even read one of the most
>crucial documents of all: Walter Webb's investigative report for
>NICAP.  Instead, he has the bad grace to characterize it as
>"unchecked hearsay," when in fact it is, as Webb's work always
>is, not only first-rate but first.

The notion that *anyone* could imagine that Walter Webb would put
"unchecked hearsay" out about himself, let alone that anyone could
imagine someone else imagining such a thing, will remain in my mind
to amuse and entertain me through the long winter evenings now
approaching, and probably for several winters to come.

The story of Walter Webb's attempts to show Benjamin Simon UFO
"evidence" and Dr Simon's response was "hearsay" to me and
"unchecked" by me - a mighty Don of New Mexico told me about it -
what else, in the context, could that phrase possibly have meant?
Perhaps a small retraction might be in order here, Jerry?

Delicious on the other hand is Jerome's quoting himself (makes a
change from Swords, Hufford & Bullard, anyway) pontificating thus:
"Psychosocial speculators seem to regard differences as irrelevant",
after I had just warbled on about the importance of taking note of
differences among abduction accounts. Whaddayathink that nice table
of early abduction entities was about, Jerry? Good ways to tie a
trout fly? Fun phrases to teach your parrot?

While I'm asking questions, a couple more spring to mind. What
happened, Jerry, to the Jerome Clark who used to be so shocked at ad
hominem attacks? Which perhaps gives me licence to ask: Rude as you
are about arts majors (and even more mysteriously, librarians, of
whom Chief Eddie Hard Bull is one), what did you major in all those
years ago? And: is there something about the word "proleptic" that
bothers you?

In due course I'll get around to sorting, for the entertainment of
the disinterested, the farrago of untruths, half-truths, tendentious
remarks, messenger-shootings, misrepresentations, mind-readings,
verdicts-by-association and misleading rhetoric with which Jerome
has larded his two posts on this thread. Not that they don't contain
a couple of good and fair points. What he has to say usually does.

best wishes
Punctilio D. Mitrailleuse
Axiom Grinder


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