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Re: Saucer Error Error

From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:32:38 PST
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:41:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Saucer Error Error

> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: Saucer Error Error
> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:25:36 -0800

>>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  From: wlmss@peg.apc.org [Lawrie Williams]
>>  Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:06:25 +1000 (GMT+1000)
>>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>>  Subject: Saucer Error Error

>>  The wreck was said to be peppered with fine holes caused by
>>  flying into the wash from the ufo's propulsion system. That must
>>  have been a pretty dangerous piece of folkloric hardware. I have
>>  speculated that the accident actually occurred when Mantell
>>  "grounded" his craft with the UFO by firing a wire-guided missile
>>  at it, as in Project Moby Dick. But then I have to remind myself
>>  that it was really only a weather balloon.

>Actually, Lawrie, I wonder where you obtained this information, since none
>of it, so far as I know, has ever been documented by any official researchers.

>There were no recordings of Mantell's conversations with the tower, but the
>Air Force records of the conversations, according to Ruppelt, who did the
>most complete and close to the event investigation still extant, mentions
>nothing of any of the material you raise.

>Officially, and unsurprisingly, Mantell's death is attributed to his lack of
>oxygen, when he attempted to rise to the extremely high altitude of
>a skyhook balloon. While there remains some question about this
>explanation, in light of the ancillary accounts, there is nothing inherently
>implausible about the cause of death, regardless of the nature of the object.
>As for the wreckage of the aircraft, there was apparently
>nothing surprising about the nature of the wreckage to the crash
>investigators, and the photos / sketches of the crash site do not show
>anything unusual.

>I don't recall any reference which claimed the aircraft skin was peppered
>with small holes.

>Perhaps you could provide a reference for this?

Hi, Mark, Lawrie, and list,

Mark is absolutely correct.  Nearly everything Lawrie writes here
is false.  I am not, of course, accusing him of making it up
himself, just of passing on some of the vast legendry surrounding
this non-UFO case.

The Mantell case is complicated by the appearance of what
apparently was a UFO over southwestern Ohio several hours after
the crash. The object Mantell died chasing, however, was a
Skyhook balloon launched from Camp Ripley, Minnesota. As Mark
indicates, there was nothing unusual about the condition of the
crashed F-51. The Air Force didn't help matters, though, by its
initial, and absurd, identification of the object as Venus.


Jerry Clark

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