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Re: Clark on Abductions

From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:59:01 PST
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:59:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Clark on Abductions

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> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:04:31 -0500
> From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com> [Peter Brookesmith]
> Subject: Clark on Abductions
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> With the compliments of the Duke of Mendoza:
> >From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
> >Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:09:56 PST
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Clark on Abductions 1/2

Howdy, Duke and list,

As an exercise in pointless venting, Duke's latest
communication takes the cake and maybe the
surrounding kitchen, too.

So little of substance is being addressed here
that it seems not worth my or anybody's time to
write an extended response.  I will say this, though:
your communications do not enrage me.  To the
contrary, I find them amusing.  You're doing yourself
too much -- or maybe too little -- credit. And I much
prefer to laugh with you than at you.

> >What strikes me is that Duke hasn't even read one of the most
> >crucial documents of all: Walter Webb's investigative report for
> >NICAP.  Instead, he has the bad grace to characterize it as
> >"unchecked hearsay," when in fact it is, as Webb's work always
> >is, not only first-rate but first.

> The notion that *anyone* could imagine that Walter Webb would put
> "unchecked hearsay" out about himself, let alone that anyone could
> imagine someone else imagining such a thing, will remain in my mind
> to amuse and entertain me through the long winter evenings now
> approaching, and probably for several winters to come.

In other words, Duke, you haven't read Webb's investigative

> Delicious on the other hand is Jerome's quoting himself (makes a
> change from Swords, Hufford & Bullard, anyway) pontificating thus:
> "Psychosocial speculators seem to regard differences as irrelevant",
> after I had just warbled on about the importance of taking note of
> differences among abduction accounts. Whaddayathink that nice table
> of early abduction entities was about, Jerry? Good ways to tie a
> trout fly? Fun phrases to teach your parrot?

Perhaps you can enlighten us benighted souls and explain why both
differences and similarities in abduction accounts prove they are
subjective in nature.  In other words, it would be nice if,
rather than fly into the state of righteous indignation of which
you now are in danger of becoming a permanent resident, you could
lay out some falsifiable version of your views about alien and
other images in abduction cases. In other words, a version in
which both A and its opposite, B, do not verify what you want to

> Which perhaps gives me licence to ask: Rude as you
> are about arts majors (and even more mysteriously, librarians, of
> whom Chief Eddie Hard Bull is one), what did you major in all those
> years ago?

I majored in English (along with, at an early stage of
my college career, political science).  I love to read
fat 19th-Century British novels, and I can discourse
at length on many major 20th-Century writers. (V.S.
Naipaul and George Orwell are two particular
favorites.)  I subscribe to several literary periodicals.
I hang out with people who share those interests (my
best friend is an English professor and medieval
specialist; my fiancee is editor of a book on world
literary movements).  In other words, I recognize literary
criticism when I see it.  And literary criticism, not
scientific investigation, is the stock in trade of the
psychosociological speculationists, who apparently
don't know the difference.

Now, Duke, take a couple of aspirins -- or, better
yet, a couple of bottles some great British brew
(British brewing is one major source of my longtime
Anglophilia) -- and relax.  I'm not mad at you. This
is just jousting, not mortal combat.


Jerry Clark

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