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Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:21:48 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:16:14 -0500
Subject: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:20:50 -0600
> From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

> > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:29:32 -0600 (CST)
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net> [Dennis Stacy]
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re:

> > >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
> > >To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
> > >Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis
> > >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:19:24 -0500

> > > I'll take the better
> > >ufologists over the scientists, anytime. Whether or not I agree
> > >with Stan's conclusions on MJ-12, I challenge you to compare
> > >Stan's work on it with SETI astronomer Frank Drake's reasons why
> > >interstellar travel is impossible (and, therefore, aliens will
> > >never visit us). Stan comes off as an apostle of sweet reason,
> > >and Drake, by contrast, as a frightened idiot.

> > >Greg Sandow

> > Greg, the above is so boundlessly beyond belief (or stupidity) on
> > your part as to beg credibility.

> Frankly sir -- it is your position that strains an open minded
> credulity.

> > I'm a working writer and so are you.  But if neither of us has
> > anything else better to do with our time, I'll gladly accept your
> > "challenge to compare Stan's work on [MJ-12] with SETI astronomer
> > Frank Drake," having already admitted previously on this post
> > that I'm no particular fan of Drake's work and conclusions.

> > Let me also add that you're comparing apples and oranges here.
> > But if you really and seriously want to adopt the voice of
> > Friedman's "apostle of sweet reason" as your own, then so be it.

> > Dennis
> > Frightened Idiot

> Dr. Drake postulates a credible potential for ET existence, but
> retreats from ET actuality with a proclamation that they are not
> allowed to function in a manner that we, in our boundless,
> extensive, and complete physical knowledge <g>, consider
> impossible! Now that seems a completely foolish take, given that
> we ourselves daily function in a manner that we would have
> considered impossible just one hundred years ago. Mr. Friedman
> DOES seem to hold the high cards of sweet reason in comparison.
> Dr. Drake, cognitively shows more courage, and certainly asks
> tougher questions.

> Lehmberg@snowhill.com

Greg, Dennis and Alfred,

Putting aside the personal belief bashing for the moment, is
there not a parallel here akin to, for instance, the Catholic
Church's fearing the loss of heaven and suffering the pains of
hell. In both cases that church, and others, continuously envoke
both God and the devil however when someone claims to have been
possessed by the latter or has seen the former the Catholic
church is on record of denying exorcism and has gone to great
pains to descredit sightings of the deities. With both SETI
scientists, Sagan* it seems included, and church leaders it
appears to be a matter of "proximity breeds contempt". Or I'll
study it but I don't want it in my face.

*I once had a scientist say to me after viewing Sagan's remarks
on a local TV news show where Sagan was shooting down UFOs and
the possibility of ETs visiting Earth now, "He says the
words...but you can tell he doesn't believe them." I saw the show
and Sagan was whipped, dying of Cancer. He lacked conviction with
his attack. The scientist, a Marine Geologist, is also one hell
of a fine Jazz pianist Greg.

Don Ledger

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