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Re: Belgian Radar-Visual

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:47:26 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:48:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Belgian Radar-Visual

>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:34:11 +0100
>From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@torino.ALPcom.it>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Belgian Radar-Visual
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:00:20 +0100 (MET)
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Belgian Radar-Visual [was: ET Hypothesis:
>>  Government Concern?]

>>>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:07:02 +0100
>>>From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@torino.ALPcom.it>
>>>Subject: Belgian Radar-Visual. (was: ET Hypothesis: Government Concern?
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>>As I said earlier, it was inevitable for a new bogus explanation
>>to arise.

>>Furthermore, inspired by this case I am assembling a collection
>>of Rules of Ufology, that will eventually be included in Bogus Book,
>>so that it can serve as a sort of survival handbook for the
>>ufologist.

>>Hall of Fame of Bogus Explanations for the Belgium case:

>>'Ghost', 'Zombie' - Eduardo Russo=B7
>>Bogus because: 25 videos and one photograph exist. Object
>>played cat and mouse game with F16 pursuers.

>I be your pardon but, though honored to be included in your Hall
>of Fame, I doubt that I should, since:

>a) item 11 above is but the same as item 10

Ah! Well, in an earlier post someone said that atmospheric
diffraction concerned visual observations. Now, having
cleared this up, would you please explain what this
phenomenon actually is. How does a typical ghost/atmospheric
diffraction behave in terms of altitude, speed, acceleration,
heading? Do radar operators often confuse it for an aircraft?

>b) I am not its author, merely reporting it (mmmh! the
>messenger-shooting habit is becoming more and more common here
>'round, isn't it?)

OK, then please give me the name of the author. Credit where
credit is due.

>But, for sake of argument, let's say I give it some merit. May I
>answer your objection by a question: are you meaning "25 videos
>and one photograph exist" of THAT specific object on THAT
>specific night, at THAT SAME specific time as the ground
>observations AND the radar targets (well! I might have lost
>something made known AFTER I last read SOBEPS reports), or are
>you more generally referring to pictures and videos of OTHER
>sightings of the Belgian wave (like the Alfarano one of a landing
>plane)?

No, there were 25 people waiting in the middle of the night
with camcorders for the object to make simultaneous contact
with ground and air radar and at that point someone said 'yes'
and they all pushed the button. No, of course not,
it concerns the whole flap.


>IMHO that would be quite a different matter.

Yes, it would give room for the mass hallucination bogus theory.
Don't tell me, 6 tapes were doctored, 5 tapes were a flight of
geese, 4 tapes were Venus, 3 other tapes were Jupiter, 6 tapes
were atmospheric diffraction, 1 one was a private aircraft, 2
might have been something, but we're not sure, so we don't have
proof. Right?


>I remain waiting for you to clear us such detail, before even
>discussing that other detail of the UFO that played cat and mouse
>game with F16 pursuers, something of which plenty of useful and
>instructive examples exist in UFO literature.

I guess that would become bogus theory 13 (The Duke was number 12
with his miscalibrated radar). Are you sure you want to get an
unlucky number, Eduardo? But seriously, first answer the question
about the properties of atmospheric diffraction.


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