From: John Koopmans <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:29:02 -0800 Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:38:03 -0500 Subject: Re: ETH [Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis] &c > From: email@example.com [Cathy Johnson] > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:40:29 -0800 > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ETH [Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis] &c > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <firstname.lastname@example.org> <SNIP> > Well, it keeps going on that there are people who keep saying > they did this and that, people who saw this or that. And it won't > stop. Worse, I am one of those people who won't quit saying that > there is something up there. All I can say is that I am convinced > of the reality of my experiences. If you want to listen, then I > will say what I have to say. If you don't want to hear what I > have to say, then I will simply not tell you anything. It isn't > much different for any abductee or contactee. They all have their > own stories to tell. They all see things from their own > individual perspectives. They all make mistakes in remembering > things. Etc. as I keep wishing my nightly wish on that slow Don't let the few on this list who don't want to hear your story spoil your perception of possibly many others who do. I, for one, am more interested in the recent and current personal firsthand experiences of those on this list than in the endless debate of 50 year-old stories. Don't get me wrong - I think the debate is useful and necessary - especially for those who have not had their own firsthand experiences, or who do not trust their own friends' experiences. They also serve many useful purposes such as helping to keep both the liars and the truly misguided at a distance. Personally, I am more interested in the here and now, in trying to get a better feel for some of the commonalties of the contacts, in trying to get a better understanding of where this phenomenon might be heading, and in preparing myself for a possible total shift in the way we may have to think about our Universe. On a battlefield, sometimes you just have to rely on your best intuition - you don't always have the luxury of engaging in a traditional scientific investigation that might take more than 50 years to complete. > Do you not see that all of these people cying "Wolf" have one > thing in common? Whatever all of these people had experiences > with is definitely non-human. They don't have a representative > in the United Nations, so we shouldn't recognize them? > So, what is this? Is it the twilight Zone? I don't have any proof > that there are alien ashtrays. It is not up to me to prove > anything, especially if there are really alien ashtrays. What I > have is merely a story that does not fit. You can fit it any way > you like to anywhere you like. If it makes some bit of sense to > you, then it works for you. But, from my point of view, I think > I know what I did and where I went. I think I know a bit about > what happened. If you care to listen, you will only know what I > know. It still amounts to nothing. No ashtray, and a no-smoking > sign. And why even bother trying to prove it? I am becoming more and more convinced that it is almost impossible to prove anything. Discussions on this list has shown that all of the following are not acceptable as even indicating the veracity of an experience: personal accounts, numerous witnesses, photographs, video recordings, radar recordings, reports by officials, X-rays, government documents, government photographs/video recordings, official correspondence, and even sightings over the White House. My question is: what would constitute the ultimate proof? My fear is that if we wait for the ultimate proof we may be too late to do anything about it. Certainly by now there is enough indication that something is going on to warrant a listening rather than an attacking attitude. However, let's not jump too quickly to any conclusions until we have done a lot of listening. For example, just because the experiences involve "non-human" beings, it doesn't follow that the visitors are necessarily extraterrestrial. <SNIP> > Every time a piece of evidence is brought out to the public eye, > it is accepted or not. Neither stories nor photographs seem to > pass the test of examination. So, what else is offered up as > proof? Would it not go the way to the 'humus' pile for the > slightest of excuse? Does this not offer up the choice for > anyone to make their own decisions about the reality of aliens? > Why is there this kind of choice in the first place? > Take care for now, > Cathy Johnson Good questions. But the more information we have, the better will be our ability to make a choice. And for this reason, we need more encouragement for those with a legitimate story to tell to come forward without the further abuse of being torn to shreds by those who demand ultimate proof. John K.
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