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Re: Belgian Radar-Visual

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 03:37:53 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:32:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Belgian Radar-Visual

>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:11:33 -0500
>From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com>
>Subject: Belgian Radar-Visual
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>With the compliments of the Duke of Mendoza:

>>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:41:07 +0100 (MET)
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: l

>>I now take it that instead of miscalibrated, what you
>>really meant was mistuned and I will adjust entry 12 in my Hall
>>of Fame accordingly.

>Having witnessed your problems of comprehension over supersonic
>balloons that no one claimed existed, not to mention your
>confusing the dates on which they did not fly, I guess this
>should come as no surprise. But it's still wrong, because I'm not
>trying to explain away the radar images as the result of
>mistuning. Your attribution of bogusness is itself bogus. I *am*
>saying that that possibility needs to be eliminated before you
>can get anywhere near being sure that what appeared on the radar
>screens was an actual object.

>Even supposing I had attempted to dismiss the radar data as the
>product of mistuning, for mistuned radar - or even miscalibrated
>radar - to enter your Hall of Fame, you surely need to be certain
>that the F-16s' radar was neither. Have you established that
>beyond doubt? Has anyone? And if so, how? It's something I'd like
>to tick off my own list.

>You've still to show that what appeared on radar was actually out
>there in the sky, too, of course.

To his credit the Duke doesn't give up easily, but his memory
seems to fail him when provided with data that challenge his
beliefs. Now I am beginning to understand how he could have
remained in blissful ingnorance of the build up of data that
point to the reality of UFOs as unknown craft. It goes in one
ear, out the other.

Duke, referring to your comments above, remember the excerpt
about simultaneous ground/air radar detection? Remember my
remarks about a triangular object that had been witnessed
at the exact same spot where the F16s detected the erratic

If not, look it up in the archives. End of discussion with
the Duke, at least for this thread.

I want to make a comment from here on the ET Hypothesis thread.
Dennis has rightly pointed out that the fringe elements in
Ufology are a danger to the image of the field and that this
hampers research and progress. But I think this thread was
an example of the other half of what is wrong with Ufology:
that no matter how many times the facts are pointed out of
a solid case, some people are capable of producing an
infinite amount of bogus to attack the case.

Not only that, when they run out of ideas to debunk, they
start all over again with the same nonsense that was
dismissed only a week ago. Surely there is an agenda
behind this that has nothing to do with genuine research.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think people like the Duke or
Eduardo are government agents, far from it. But when the
field is serious about making progress, would it be too
much to ask to expose their way of operating as unproductive
as well?

John Koopmans remarked: "The discussions on this list
show that the following kinds of data are not excepted
as evidence: witnesses, photographs, video, government
documents, radar traces", etc.

John, of course these data qualify as evidence. It just
doesn't satisfy the debunkers because they are the
debunkers. They suffer from a condition that Bob Shell
rightly coined 'Obsessive Compulsive Debunking Syndrome'.
Let's just ignore them and move on.

           /    Met vriendelijke groet/Best wishes    \
                      Henny van der Pluijm

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