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Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:33:28 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:47:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

>Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:44:08 -0500
>From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:04:47 -0500
>From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>>Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:56:23 -0600
>>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

>Michael wrote:

>>>From: "Scott Reed" <sreed@zoomnet.net>
>>>Subject: kenneth arnold's testimony
>>>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:26:43 -0500

>>>Hi Scott.

>>>Yes.  He did describe them as delta shaped, similar to what today we
>>>would describe as the B-2.

>Arnold's sketch in the Blue Book file shows a semicircular front
>half and a sort of protruding V shape at the back

Yes...I have pictures of it.  But I still contend that using
something similar in todays technology to describe it, the B-2 is
the closest thing we have to it.  If we could just round the ends
of the B-2. <g>

>>I have an audio tape of his initial conversation with the reporters
>>at the airport.

>>"Returning to Arnold's report: 'They flew like many times I have
>>observed geese to fly in a rather diagonal chain-like line as if they
>>were linked together'. That is what they certainly seem like. Geese
>>do fly in chains. A number of nine makes sense. The arrangement of the
>>leader being higher than the others, unlike military formations, is
>>sensible for geese who take advantage of the downdraft turbulence of
>>others in the formation for easier flying. Geese chains do undulate
>>like kite tails. They do present a basically flat side profile when
>>seen edge-on.

>>From above they have a bilateral symmetry like the heel drawn by
>>Arnold. In his Congress paper he however emphatically denies this
>>idea, '-- but they were not geese!'

>>He does not explain the reasoning".

>>I wonder if Kottmeyer has ever seen this interview and realises that
>>Arnold appears to dismiss the explanation based on his estimation of
>>the objects' speed. If Arnold's air-speed calculations were wrong,
>>which is of course conceivable and at best they were subjective, there
>>are key aspects of Arnold's descriptions which otherwise correlate.

>>However, Kottmeyer also notes that 9200 feet is a rather high altitude
>>for geese to be flying and is doubtful whether an experienced pilot
>>such as Arnold would misidentify a flock of geese.

>>Perhaps the most important point is Arnold's initial confirmation
>>that the objects, "looked something like a pie plate that was cut in
>>half with a sort of a convex triangle in the rear".

>>Kottmeyer's articles can be read at the following URL's:


>>In the second part, he helpfully reproduces Arnold's original drawing
>>for the Air Force files.

>>This matches what Arnold describes in the interview.

><SNIP about other Arnold sources of info and geese flying at
>12,000 ft>

>>It may not therefore be so unlikely that a flock of geese is the
>>explanation for Arnold's sighting.

>>Maybe it wasn't, but if we can't trust the variance in the evidence,
>>how can we trust his overall judgement?

>>Kottmeyer and Andersen also note this wasn't to prove the last time
>>Kenneth Arnold saw a flock of 'UFOs'.

>Several years ago I got into a letter-writing argument with
>Kottmeyer over the "goose hypothesis". Kottmeyer argued that the
>objects were geese flying high and fast and were a lot closer
>than Arnold estimated. Kottmeyer rejected Arnold's claim that the
>UFOs flew in and out of the mountain peaks south of Rainier. He
>came on strong, until I pointed out that Arnold said he turned
>his plane and opened the (left hand side) window. At this time
>Arnold was flying south, the same direction as the UFOS. Had they
>been geese Arnold would have overtaken and passed them. At any
>rate he wouldn't have been puzzled at their "high speed" even if
>they could fly as fast as 50 mph, as Kottmeyer suggested.
>(Arnold's plane was probably traveling 100 mph or faster but
>certainly much faster than 50 mph)

I can't remember exactly how fast Arnold's plane was flying. I
have read it in the past, but it has been so long ago, I've
forgotten. I was thinking it was around 200 mph. I may very well
be wrong.

I really don't see any use in arguing the point of Arnold's
experience.  If he saw what he said, then he did.  If he
was mistaken, then he was.  I think the thing we need to know
is "what is happening now?"

The past is the past.  It has no real continuing relevance
to the presence.  It only serves as a "history."

So much is happening now, that it would better serve us to
put the past to rest, and concentrate on the present.
We, as citizens have at our disposal technical equipmnet
which they did not have 50 years ago.  It puts in the
hands of John Q. Citizen, better equipment than the Military
forces of the 1940's and early 50's had to work with.
WE can detect EMF with small hand held equipment.  We have
video cameras with Night Vision lens capability  as well
as infared film and video.  We have portable microwave
transmitters and receivers which can be bought and operated
by the average person, if they desire to spend the money.
We have Cell Phones and lap top computers....
In other words, we are so well equipped today, that with
proper planning and organization, we can take a group of
ten people and cover several hundred square miles of area,
for the purpose of detecting, measuring, recording and
possibly even encountering UFOs.

This being the case, why are we so hung up on the past?
I say, let it go!  Let the old system with its promoters,
pass into the past.  Let us, put aside our differences
and move into the present, as we watch moment by moment
as the future becomes the now.  Let us KNOW the reality
before us NOW.  Not at some imagined FUTURE, but NOW!

REgards, Mike

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