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Re: The Phoenix Lights - nothing on radar

From: jared@valuserve.com (Andromeda.net- Anderson, Jared)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:21:13 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:20:10 -0500
Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights - nothing on radar

> From: fergus@ukraine.corp.mot.com [George Fergus]
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:35:50 -0600 (CST)
> Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:15:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights - nothing on radar

> As I understand it, the only report that the lights were seen but
> nothing could be picked up on radar is the one made by Bill
> Grava, an air traffic controller at Sky Harbor Airport.  However,
> Grava states in his interview with Susan Rook on CNN that his
> radar coverage was limited to a diameter of 10 miles around the
> airport.

> If, as is generally agreed, the 10 pm lights were at least 5
> miles southwest of the airport, then there is no reason to
> believe that the 10 pm lights or anything in the air associated
> with them would have been close enough to have been picked up on
> Sky Harbor's radar.

> At least in relation to the 10 pm lights, "nothing on radar"
> seems to be a myth, which should be discarded.

> Has the flight path of the V-shaped object(s) that flew overhead
> 1 1/2 hours earlier been established well enough to know for sure
> whether or not they were close enough to Sky Harbor to have been
> picked up on radar?

> -George Fergus

It's also noteworthy that Captain Stacey Cotton of Luke Air Force
Base affirmed Grava's statements and said that nothing passed
overhead on radar at Luke either although the folks over a Luke
have not exactly had a spotless record of veracity since this
whole thing began.

I don't think we can eliminate the plane hypothesis for reasons
of radar alone. The ATC radar at Skyharbor is designed to detect
signals emitted by transponders within the planes themselves. If
a plane was not carrying a transponder or it was turned off, it
would not have shown up on radar. Grava said he is still
reluctant to accept the plane theory based on the brightness of
the lights.

As a side note, I certainly hope the folks at Skyharbor airport
have some kind of radar tracking that extends further out from
the airport than a 10 mile diameter, that seems rather limited
for a commercial airport.

The Terry Proctor video is the only one I've seen of the 8:00pm
event and although the video is very poor quality. The triangular
formation of lights definitley did not look like planes. It
looked like a single solid object. This was in sharp contrast to
the several videos of the 10pm event which look quite different
from what Proctor shot and almost like independant objects which
adds creedance to the flare theory.


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