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Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:53:16 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:59:50 -0500
Subject: Re:  Kenneth Arnold's testimony

> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:28:12 -0500
> From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony
> >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:44:29 -0800

> >>  Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:51:10 -0500
> >>  From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
> >>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony>
> >>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> >>  Now I hope you understand that it would be DIFFICULT for Arnold
> >>  to mistake geese for high speed objects because as soon as he
> >>  started flying parallel to their path he would realize he was
> >>  catching up.   When Kottmeyer realized this he shut up.

> >I'm glad you raised this, Bruce, because I did a semi-controlled
> >experiment this weekend (talk about coincidence).

> >I was driving on a north to south highway, and it turned out that
> >there were some geese flying in approx. the same direction. They
> >were at some distance, and as I drove along I quickly caught up
> >with them and passed them (@65 mph).

> >Also, they were at about 20 degrees elevation; they were clearly
> >geese at all distances, even when at the limits of resolution.
> >And, despite the fact that the sun was to my right and the geese
> >were to my left, they never once emitted a specular reflection or
> >looked like disk-shaped object.

> Thanks for reporting your "controlled experiment with geese"
> (Glad you didn't try doing 120 mph to bettern simulate Arnold's
> situation.)

> If it flies like a goose, reflects like a goose and looks like a
> goose..... then you can use it to goose anyone who claims Arnold
> saw a flight of geese.

Musing over this a few days ago, I realized that in terms of
angular dimensions in the horizontal plane, there was little to
distinguish a flight of geese a mile away from some weird flying
thangs a dozen miles away.   So, I began to wonder by what easy
method could a pilot distinguish the two.  Then, eureka, it
struck me.  Any small vertical motion perpendicular to the common
horizontal flight paths would readily tell the pilot whether the
objects were very close to the plane or much nearer the
mountains.  Even a short motion of a foot or so such as bobbing
the head up and down would cause nearby geese to wiggle more
against the horizon than distant flying thangs.  The veritcal
motion of the plane during the turns would have made it painfully
obvious.  The apparent displacement of geese would be more than
ten times greater than that of distant objects.  This would be
true of the formation of the objects even if individually they
were moving up and down.

Perhaps Arnold was so familiar with this way of distinguishing
geese, he didn't feel the need to eliminate them early in his

Bye...  Ted..

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