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Re: The Phoenix Lights - nothing on radar

From: joel henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:16:26 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:15:11 -0500
Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights - nothing on radar

>From: fergus@ukraine.corp.mot.com [George Fergus]
>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:35:50 -0600 (CST)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Phoenix Lights - nothing on radar


>Grava states in his interview with Susan Rook on CNN that his
>radar coverage was limited to a diameter of 10 miles around the

>If, as is generally agreed, the 10 pm lights were at least 5
>miles southwest of the airport,

5 miles is within the 10 mile dia. limit. Also, these radar are
not as limited as it sounds. Their main limit is the display
itself and at what point it cuts off on the edge. We need to find
out what the radar display image was set for to know for sure if
it would or wouldn't have picked up planes in that area. Also, if
planes had flown over and dropped flares, they would have
continued over the area well into the radar limit area as they
passed over (they don't stand still and don't make instant
reversals in mid air you know).

>then there is no reason to
>believe that the 10 pm lights or anything in the air associated
>with them would have been close enough to have been picked up on
>Sky Harbor's radar.

>At least in relation to the 10 pm lights, "nothing on radar"
>seems to be a myth, which should be discarded.

>Has the flight path of the V-shaped object(s) that flew overhead
>1 1/2 hours earlier been established well enough to know for sure
>whether or not they were close enough to Sky Harbor to have been
>picked up on radar?

>-George Fergus

They flight path of the "V" objects crosses over the middle of
Pheonix as it was sighted. Radar should have seen it. Normally,
radar is set to see transponder craft unless there is a lot of
small aicraft or military activity in the area. If someone calls
up with a UFO report, they can simply turn off the filters to see
the raw reflections. We have this trouble in Minnesota. They do
not cooperate and turn filters off. But they are informed by the
military in advance of operations where they will be so even if
they are transponderless and flying under military radar control,
the local radar can divert traffic from this area. We need to
know if that was the case that night in Pheonix, and if so the
military radar would definately have been watching. Otherwise
there would be noone at all to prevent planes in the area from
crashing into each other. These simple statements are not enough.
We need ALL the details of what they were looking at, filter
settings, fly area coordination details provided by the military,
etc. then we can start making intelligent conclusions, not
uninformed assumptions.

Joel Henry

Minnesota MUFON Webmaster
Minnesota MUFON Web Page= http://www.wavefront.com/~jhenry/index.html

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