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Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:20:29 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:41:02 -0500
Subject: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:11:12 -0600 (CST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net> [Dennis Stacy]
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

> >From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
> >Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:45:44 -0500
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

> >> big snip <

> >> I don't think McDonald ever had a personal sighting, yet he was
> >> quite passionate about the subject. Wouldn't scientists with a
> >> personal experience be even more vocal and passionate?

> >Well Dennis you are quite wrong about this statement, James
> >McDonald did have a sighting or have you forgotten how Jacques
> >Vallee documents how he double-crossed James McDonald by
> >revealing information about McDonalds sighting which had been
> >confidential.

> >Gary Alevy

> Dear Gary:

> When I use the words "I don't think" that means I'm not certain.
> And if McDonald did have a sighting, it would only substantiate
> my point, not mitigate it.

> But anyway, I'm happy to have this information. I don't recall it
> off the top of head, so perhaps you could point me in the right
> direction. Where is the incident of Vallee's double-cross you
> mention? I'd like to look it up.
> Thanks!

> Dennis

Hi Dennis,

In response to your request I have included the two relevant,
complete day journal entries from Jacques Vallee's book FORBIDDEN

And yes the reason that many scientists and others are passionate
about this field is their personal experience.  Vallee discusses
his close range 1950s sighting earlier in the book.  To the best
of my knowledge this is the only citation I have seen regarding
McDonald's sighting and I have never seen the details of his
sighting published anywhere.  Perhaps Jerome Clark who has now
had access to McDonald's files could shed some light on this
issue or publish the relevant material.  Although Vallee had
access to this he only used it as a means to attempt to embarrass
McDonald with the journalist from Time magazine.  Then again this
is the same Vallee who all these years has keep the identity of
"Pentacle" as secret for his own purposes.

The material in these passages is quite thought provoking isn't

Gary Alevy

FORBIDDEN SCIENCE: Journals 1957-1969 by Jacques Vallee, 1992
North Atlantic Books, the two relevant entries are quoted below
in their entirety for the days listed:

Page 254-256

Chicago. Sunday 16 April 1967.

Kazantsev's secretary has sent me a copy of the Soviet magazine
Smena with an article by Felix Zigel that quotes Challenge and
reproduces two pictures from it.

Yesterday I went to Hynek's house. I had promised that I would
help him reorganize his files, which overflow into shoeboxes and
in a basket in a little room on the first floor. He complains
that he doesn't find anything any more, and I can see why. The
reports of various years are mixed together. Pictures and letters
get lost.

Having established a method to reclassify this mess, I began the
real work early in the afternoon. By evening I had returned many
of the documents to the places where they belonged, in neat
folders and envelopes. But I had stumbled on something I felt was

I found it among the relics of Project Henry. It was a simple
letter dated 1954.

It came from a cloud physicist at the University of Chicago who
was studying for a doctorate at the time. Together with three
other physicists he had seen a bright unidentified object in the
sky over Arizona. The letter gave precise details and

It was signed James McDonald.

When I showed him the letter Hynek was dumbfounded. He examined
the text, as well as the response from the Air Force, which was
attached to it.

"I don't remember ever seeing this," he said.

"Evidently it went to Captain Hardin," I pointed out. "He's the
one who replied to it."

"If I had remembered this I might well have contacted McDonald.
We would have met much earlier."

"You could have had an influence on the policy of the Air Force,
if the t two of you had joined forces at the time. We could
rewrite history here: when the 1954 wave swept Europe you could
have contacted Aime Michel......

"The Condon Committee would never have happened," Hynek mused.
But he shot the whole idea down: "I probably would have been
labeled as a crackpot. Whipple wouldn't have asked me to work
with him at the Smithsonian in 1957. Northwestern would never
have hired me as the director of Dearborn .... You and I wouldn't
be here talking."

This brought the discussion to the subject of McDonald's upcoming
visit. I told Hynek he could not refuse to meet with him. He
tried to get out of it:

"You could take care of it with Bill and Fred ... find out how he
feels." He wanted to avoid another confrontation at all cost.

I tried to make him feel guilty: "You already forgot the meeting
with the Canadians, and with our publisher. This time you've got
to be there."

He finally agreed that we had to find out once and for all if he
could work with McDonald. Mimi Hynek has a dinner party planned
for Saturday, but it can be rescheduled.

We hear that McDonald is not having much success so far. An
article he recently published in the National Enquirer has eroded
whatever measure of respect he was beginning to gain among his

On the Air Force side, Lieutenant Morley has just briefed Colonel
Sleeper, who has responsibility for the Foreign Technology
Division and reportedly would love to see them dump Project Blue
Book altogether. In this kind of circuitous communication the
facts are irrelevant. All the conclusions are already drawn.

My California friend has a job offer for me in San Diego. My
first inclination is still to return to France. But Allen has
vowed to keep me in this country no matter what happens.

Page 298-300

Chicago. Thursday 20 July 1967.

A week ago Hynek was interviewed by John Wilhelm, a journalist
from Time magazine. Aggressive, inquisitive, precise, Wilhelm
pushed him around, squeezing him into narrow corners. Hynek
answered but the questions kept coming back about the handling of
cases by Project Blue Book, about the false astronomical
explanations, about statements made to Congress by the Air Force,
about the Condon s When Wilhelm halted the interview to go get a
sandwich Hynek me at the computation center:

It's not going well, Jacques. Not well at all. This guy wants to
everything. He is looking for blood. He is going back all the way
to Project Sign. He keeps asking about the possible role of the
CIA. Obviously it's McDonald who is sending him here. You know
Time magazine they need a juicy story. They need a simple answer
and a scapegoat they can throw to the public. But here there is
no simple answer. If they could put everything on my back, that
would make a lot of people happy. trying to be patient but there
are limits...."

I could tell in his voice that he was genuinely afraid. He has
given himself over to this crowd with his many public
appearances, his lectures. But the public and the UFO believers
are clamoring for more. McDonald is giving them what they seek,
dramatic accusations and simplistic conclusions. On one side is
Hynek, an older man who is troubled, who constantly questions his
own life in search of deeper truths. On the other side is a fiery
champion who thinks he has all the answers: UFOs are
extraterrestrial, we're being watched, even invaded. Perhaps he
is right. But the way he is handling the problem stinks.

"Give the McDonald sighting to this guy Wilhelm," I suddenly
said. "It's the obvious solution. Why is Jim hiding his own
sighting, pretending he has just discovered the problem, if he is
so sure of the answers?"

At six o'clock I called Susan, Hynek's secretary. Allen was still
in conference with Wilhelm, behind closed doors. It was only much
later in the evening that I was able to reach him.

"I followed your advice. Wilhelm was visibly shocked when I
confronted him with McDonald's own sighting."

With a very tired voice he added: "After a day like this,
Jacques, I wish I had never heard of UFOs." I feel the same way.

The pressure and ridicule the scientific establishment places on
anyone who dares raise this forbidden topic is incredible in its
vicious character, in its unfairness. Following Hynek's letter to
Science(9) a biologist wrote in to record a personal sighting.
Hynek requested more details. He received the following answer:

I could simply ignore your letter and drop the whole story of my
UFO observation. But that would be impolite and I don't want to
be. Therefore I am answering you but I do so with regret.

I have been subjected to fearful trouble since my short letter in
Science. In reality I am not at all a sensitive person. I have
spent thirty years in Federal and State biological research and I
think I have withstood all kinds of criticism. But I must admit I
no longer want to receive repulsive remarks from my friends (are
they still my friends?), from my associates, from crackpots and
others. The recent letter by Stibitz (Science, 27 January 1967)
irritates me and causes more confusion that I intend to stand.
So, let us forget this whole story, please.

No wonder scientists do not find the evidence convincing; the
very best cases, the reports from their own peers, don't reach
them because people are too embarrassed to describe phenomena
which contradict what they think science is.

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