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Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

From: fergus@ukraine.corp.mot.com [George Fergus]
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:41:28 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:31:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:01:09 -0800
> From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

> The mirror like flashes seem to rule out birds.

> However, let's assume geese.  How fast can the fly?  60 mph?

> That is 1 mile/minute.  Arnold was flying approximately
> penpendicular to the UFOs flight path.  He timed the UFOs for
> about 2 minutes. so the flight of geese could have been about 2
> miles in that.  What about tail winds?  Arnold comments on the
> great flying conditions.  If he had cross-winds, they were not so
> great.

> So the length of the base line distance is two miles and Arnold
> is approaching the flight path at a 90 degree angle.  For
> simplicity, put Arnold on the prependicular bisector of that the
> 2 mile baseline. The objects swept through around 80 degrees of
> angular displacement in that two minutes.  Well, plotting
> Arnold's approximate position on a map of Washington state shows
> about that angle between the two land marks he cites.  Again for
> simplicity's sake say that the angular displacement was 90
> degrees.  Okay, so Arnold is now one mile from the flight path.
> If we are dealing with geese, he should have crossed the flight
> path during his observation.

> Okay, Arnold and the geese were not standing still which
> influences the how much of the angle the geese swept through.
> The closer he gots to the geese's flight path the greater the
> angle seems.  Still he should have crossed their flight path.

> The actual displacement of the geese is only two miles.  The
> angular displacement argues that Arnold must be very close to
> their flight path.  He should either recognized geese or cross
> their path.  Now if the distance the objects traveled in two
> minutes is much greater than geese can fly, then you can start
> moving the the objects much farther away from Arnold.  Geese
> don't seem to work.

> Well, maybe, despite the comments about the flight conditions,
> they did have a huge tail wind, so the baseline was much longer.

> Okay, fine.  However, once Arnold turns to follow the objects he
> also has the advantage of the tail wind so he should, if they
> were geese, be able to see he was overhauling them.  Not geese,
> again.

Also, wouldn't birds in June usually be flying back north, not
flying south?

But since this thread refuses to die I'll add my 2 cents of wild

Arnold is annoyed by a strange flash and tries to see where it
came from.  He turns the plane, looking, until he spots something
ahead that looks like a group of planes.  His heading is now
north rather than east.  He sees that the objects are moving to
his right, and decides to see how fast they are going, not
realizing that it is actually a flock of birds flying north and
their apparent southward motion against the distant mountains is
simply due to his own airspeed.  He determines that these planes
are moving incredibly fast, and decides to get a better look by
turning the plane completely around so that it is now heading
south in the direction he thinks they are flying, and he opens
his left window.  However, since he is now actually heading in
the opposite direction from the birds, he passes them and after
a brief closeup they quickly disappear from view.  But he could
definitely discern that they had no tails, since from his point
of view they would have been flying backwards.  He then resumes
his eastward journey.

-George Fergus

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