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ETH [Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis]

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@ucs.orst.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:14:14 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:51:04 -0500
Subject: ETH [Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis] 

> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:31:14 -0600 (CST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ETH [Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis] &c

> >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:59:52 -0800 (PST)
> >From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@ucs.orst.edu>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ETH [Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis] &c

> >Jerry and Bob and All,

> >Your opinions pretty much bracket the possibilities.  But here's
> >one question I have that should have an answer, though I couldn't
> >locate it within the Roper Report on _Unusual Personal
> >Experiences_.  Though the report repeatedly states that they
> >received 5,947 responses, how many questionaires did they send
> >out in the first place?  Perhaps it was two or three times as
> >many?  My thought is that those who felt the subject was too
> >silly or foolish to bother wasting time on and respond to were
> >likely mostly the ones who, had they responded, would have
> >responded negatively to most or all the questions...

> Jim:

> If you would use your noggin to actually think with, instead of
> as a mere hair support, you'd realize that the Roper Report
> personally interviewed 6000 people. They didn't send out more
> responses than they got back. They interviewed 6000 people,
> period.

Dennis,

A pedantic reply in kind would point out that the Roper Report
itself did not interview any people, and that their organization
surveyed 5,947.  And of course they didn't send out any
responses.

Whether their survey was by telephone, door to door, or through
the mail, my point is that a person who had no unusual or
paranormal experiences, or denies that he has, and who thinks
anything paranormal is dumb or goofy, would be more likely to say
"No, I'm not interested in answering your questions, click" than
a person who is open to the paranormal, due perhaps to having had
a paranormal experience.  So this would tend to bias the results
of such a poll towards positive answers, but by how much and how
to avoid such bias are difficult questions to answer.

> Moreover, word has it that Hopkins and Jacobs actually "cooked"
> the numbers down from something like five per cent because they
> couldn't believe the original numbers -- never mind that the
> original numbers don't measure anything whatsoever, and neither
> do the final ones.

Too bad that neither Budd nor Dave are on this List to reply to
your latter clause.

> >Beyond this, there are plenty of assumptions Dennis made that we
> >should be highly suspicious of.

> Just as we should be suspicious of anything you say, or am I
> wrong in thinking that Billy Meier somehow turned up a long lost
> manuscript, or was it merely translation, of one of the books of
> the Bible? Perhaps you would care to elucidate?

If you were to be interested in the English translation of the _Talmud of
Jmmanuel_ (TJ), or my book on it (_Celestial Teachings_), you'd have read
one or both.  They're published by Wild Flower Press.

The Aramaic manuscript wasn't long lost, merely secreted away in a tomb
near Jerusalem for some 1900 years until Meier's ETs decided it was time
for it to be discovered & translated, and for Meier to become its
custodian and editor.

The TJ is not one of the books of the Bible.  Rather, it very much seems
to be the original writing that prompted the appearance of the first
Gospel, which actually turns out to have been Matthew, just as the early
church fathers have attested, and not Mark.  But the TJ contains a lot of
teachings on the human spirit and its evolution and immortality that were
unacceptable to those who got Christianity going, and so it had to be very
heavily edited when the first Gospel was formed.  Yet the connection
between the TJ and the Gospel of Matthew is unmistakable, so the task of
any open-minded scholar who studies it is to try to assess whether the
Gospel of Matthew appears to be based upon the TJ, or vice versa.

If you by any chance base your estimate of the TJ on what Korff had to
say about it in his 1995 anti-Meier book, beware that this book of his is
just as riddled with errors and omissions, or even more so, than his book
about Roswell.  I've noted that in just 7 pages where he discusses the TJ,
he makes 37 false or unsupported claims, misleading impressions, plain
errors, and false innuendos.  He took someone else's word for much of this
without evidently looking into any of it for himself.  This is documented
in an article on the website: http://users.bart.nl/~edzmath/access.htm
(see under chap. 2).

It would seem to me that Dennis's feelings toward the Meier contactee
case, which carry over to any who report positive findings on the case,
may be due to the TJ document and its unacceptable implications for
Christianity.  That's why one's religion or lack of it, or one's belief
"system," is a critical item that may predispose a ufologist.

> >As another List member mentioned, we can't expect the aliens or ETs
> >to be "democratic," or random, in their work. ....
> >So we shouldn't blindly assume that the
> >proportion of abductions within the population of many nations,
> >like India and perhaps China, is necessarily anywhere near as
> >high as in the U.S.

> So you're saying you're a closet racist, or merely that aliens
> prefer Anglo-Saxons and their immediate descendants to other,
> less "savory" subjects? Talk about making assumptions we should
> be highly suspicious of! In case you haven't noticed, and I doubt
> you have, India presently boasts some of the best software
> programmers in the world.

I don't doubt the latter, but do wonder if you imply here that being a
software programmer protects one from being a UFO abductee.  Somehow I
doubt that!

> But let's turn my misguided democratic assumptions/questions
> around: What's your explanation for why aliens prefer Americans?

> > India seems to have quite a shortage of UFO
> >reports, too, does it not?  Maybe that's due to their people
> >already accepting the existence of many gods & goddesses (in one
> >form or another) within Hinduism and not requiring extensive
> >conditioning by the aliens to get them used to the idea of their
> >presence.

> Another assumption of yours that we should be equally wary and
> suspicious of. Maybe it's simply due to the fact that they're not
> Americans.

It's a possibility worth keeping in mind -- that the aliens have had to
work on the western world more intensively in terms of numbers of UFO
sightings and abductions per capita, than elsewhere because people under
the influence or dominance of Western religions, excluding where books
like those by Barry Downing & Joe Lewels have opened some eyes, are prone
to equate aliens with the devil, etc.  But the aliens may indeed have had
to work extra hard on the world's leading superpower due to our reliance
on 20th-century science to supply us with truth, and for other reasons.

> .... Do you honestly think India is any more
> monolithically Hinduistic than we are, say, Methodist?

Yes, it turns out they are.  They're 82% Hindu (according to a Hindu I
heard speak recently), then in declining percentages Sikh, Christian,
Sufi, and last of all Buddhist, which surprised me.

Jim Deardorff



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