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Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:40:34 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:53:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

>From: fergus@ukraine.corp.mot.com [George Fergus]
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:41:28 -0600 (CST)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

>> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:01:09 -0800
>> From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

>> The mirror like flashes seem to rule out birds.

>> However, let's assume geese.  How fast can the fly?  60 mph?

>> That is 1 mile/minute.  Arnold was flying approximately
>> penpendicular to the UFOs flight path.  He timed the UFOs for
>> about 2 minutes. so the flight of geese could have been about 2
>> miles in that.  What about tail winds?  Arnold comments on the
>> great flying conditions.  If he had cross-winds, they were not so
>> great.

>> So the length of the base line distance is two miles and Arnold
>> is approaching the flight path at a 90 degree angle.  For
>> simplicity, put Arnold on the prependicular bisector of that the
>> 2 mile baseline. The objects swept through around 80 degrees of
>> angular displacement in that two minutes.  Well, plotting
>> Arnold's approximate position on a map of Washington state shows
>> about that angle between the two land marks he cites.  Again for
>> simplicity's sake say that the angular displacement was 90
>> degrees.  Okay, so Arnold is now one mile from the flight path.
>> If we are dealing with geese, he should have crossed the flight
>> path during his observation.

>> Okay, Arnold and the geese were not standing still which
>> influences the how much of the angle the geese swept through.
>> The closer he gots to the geese's flight path the greater the
>> angle seems.  Still he should have crossed their flight path.

>> The actual displacement of the geese is only two miles.  The
>> angular displacement argues that Arnold must be very close to
>> their flight path.  He should either recognized geese or cross
>> their path.  Now if the distance the objects traveled in two
>> minutes is much greater than geese can fly, then you can start
>> moving the the objects much farther away from Arnold.  Geese
>> don't seem to work.

>> Well, maybe, despite the comments about the flight conditions,
>> they did have a huge tail wind, so the baseline was much longer.

>> Okay, fine.  However, once Arnold turns to follow the objects he
>> also has the advantage of the tail wind so he should, if they
>> were geese, be able to see he was overhauling them.  Not geese,
>> again.

>Also, wouldn't birds in June usually be flying back north, not
>flying south?

>But since this thread refuses to die I'll add my 2 cents of wild

>Arnold is annoyed by a strange flash and tries to see where it
>came from.  He turns the plane, looking, until he spots something
>ahead that looks like a group of planes.  His heading is now
>north rather than east.  He sees that the objects are moving to
>his right, and decides to see how fast they are going, not
>realizing that it is actually a flock of birds flying north and
>their apparent southward motion against the distant mountains is
>simply due to his own airspeed.  He determines that these planes
>are moving incredibly fast, and decides to get a better look by
>turning the plane completely around so that it is now heading
>south in the direction he thinks they are flying, and he opens
>his left window.  However, since he is now actually heading in
>the opposite direction from the birds, he passes them and after
>a brief closeup they quickly disappear from view.  But he could
>definitely discern that they had no tails, since from his point
>of view they would have been flying backwards.  He then resumes
>his eastward journey.

>-George Fergus

Come on Folks.

Do you actually understand how assanine you people sound?

You would pull at any straw to prevent yoursleves from
accepting the possibility that what Arnold reported was

You people are pathetic.  I give up on the whole bunch
of you...

Oh, by the way....Please don't insult me by responding
in your "unabated logic."



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