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Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

From: natural.state@erols.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:58:28 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:55:23 -0500
Subject: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:08:07 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Bob Shell <76750.2717@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

> >From: natural.state@erols.com [Melanie Mecca]
> >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:36:35 -0600
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: that ol' Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis

> You mean to be shinin' on everyone who holds this view
> >by asserting that they are weak-minded cowards of inferior
> >processing power?

> No, I don't think everyone who believes the ETH is wimpy, weak
> minded, lily livered coward, etc.  Many are quite gifted
> intellectually.

> However, there are those, and in large numbers, who want to
> turn belief in UFOs into a new religion.  Just listen to them
> speak at UFO conferences, and you hear echos of a Southern
> Baptist preacher.  And look at their wide-eyed followers.  They
> are no different from moonies, or follower of Charles Manson, in
> my opinion.  They want to "BELIEVE" and follow.  They want
> someone else to do their thinking for them and reassure them
> that when the ship hits the sand they will be carried away to
> safety in gently glowing space ships.

But your words indicated that everyone who thought the ETH was a
good explanation for UFOs, encounters, etc. was ingenuous in that
way - "I'm Prayin' to the Aliens"  - "Save me, Space Brothers."
It was a sweeping brush you used to paint that picture - I took
exception to that.  For example, fairies, demons, etc., referring
to some other people's non-ETH views, don't seem to need
structured craft to get about - neither do beings of light.  If
beings are solely multi-dimensional, why would they bother?
Seems to me that's the biggest fallacy in the non-ETH view - not
that it can't be true, but that it doesn't make much sense.

> Well I don't buy into that.  I think we need to wipe the sleep
> from our eyes and stop creating new mythology.  We need to
> admit that we don't know who/what we are dealing with, don't
> know their/it's agenda, and have no assurances that the
> phenomenon is benevolent.

I agree with that statement completely - we don't know their
agenda, and we shouldn't assume that their (over-generalizing -
there certainly seems to be more than one group running around)
motives are benevolent.

> >And, my pet peeve, are you also perhaps confusing (pick a term)
> >multi-dimensional demonstrations with the point of origin of a
> >species? Assessing cloaking abilities, shape-shifting, walking
> >through doors etc. through a narrow-minded perspective, as if
> >possession of those powers de facto proved that the origin of
> >those beings could not possibly be through evolution in bodies
> >on a life-bearing world?  Your assertions seem to spring from a
> >limited inner horizon, IMHO.

> Where in the world did I say anything like that????????????

That was your implication, in my reading of your post.

> I have not said that what we are dealing with are not extraterrestrial
> biological entities.  I have said that there is no reason to
> limit ourselves to this one possibility when there are many
> others, and we have no solid evidence to point toward or rule
> out any of them.  Maybe they are EBEs,and the ETH is certainly
> one hypothesis to explain what is going on.  But it is not the
> only one, and I see no reason to limit our discussions to its
> confines.

The burr under my saddle stems from the fact that I'd like these
lists to be places where we can try to piece together
significance, motives, implications for humanity and the earth -
work towards the MEANING of all this.  Personally, I get tired of
listening to complete sceptics arguing that the visitors are not
here, that no one has ever been abducted, and so on.  It would be
lovely, although I now believe way too optimistic, to think we
could accept certain premises and delve into the why, wherefore,
and wither.  Time's a-wastin', life is short, discernment is
difficult, running in place is exhausting.  Be nice to think we
could help each other to divine the purpose and meaning of all

Melanie Mecca

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