UFO UpDates
A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena
'Its All Here In Black & White'
Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com > 1997 > Nov > Nov 26

Re: Phoenix lights, FTs, whatever

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:37:11 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:38:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Phoenix lights, FTs, whatever

>  From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Aleevy]
>  Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:20:49 -0500
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Phoenix lights, FTs, whatever

>  You know what they saw about those who don't remember history.
>  One might say - Nah, those books were from the 1950s, those guys
>  couldn't have really known anything, why bother with with that
>  old stuff.

>  Donald Keyhoe traced the evolution of the pattern of lights on UFOs
>  over the years.

>  In a nutshell, at first they didn't have any, and after some near
>  misses and possible aerial collisions the UFOs started to sport
>  various types of running lights.

>  History can be useful, even entertaining.

Gary -

While I agree with the tenor of your comments, I can't agree with
the collision light hypothesis. There are a number of cases from
long before the "near collision" era which describe objects
sporting running lights.
Among them, from Magonia

7	Jun. 11, 1881	0400	 The two sons of the Prince of Wales,
one of them the future king of England, were cruising aboard "La
Bacchante" when an object resembling a fully lighted ship was seen
("a phantom vessel all aglow"). 	Between Melbourne and Sydney
at sea (Australia). 	(Fort 637; Anatomy 12).

20  Apr. 15, 1897 2100 A passenger train on the Wabash line,
going toward Quincy, was followed by a low-flying object for 15
min between Perry Springs and Hersman. All the passengers saw the
craft, which had a red and white light. After Hersman it flew
ahead of the train and disappeared rapidly, although the train
was then running at 65 km/h. Perry Springs (Missouri). (190).

30  Apr. 26, 1897 Approximate date. A lawyer was surprised to see
a lighted object fly over. His horse was scared and nearly
toppled the carriage. When the main light was turned off, a
number of smaller lights became visible on the underside of the
dark object, which supported an elongated canopy. It went down
toward a hill to the south, 5 km from Aquila. When the witness
was on his way back one hour later he saw the object rising. It
reached the altitude of the cloud ceiling and flew to the
northeast at a fantastic speed with periodic flashes of light.
AquilaHillsboro (Texas). (195).

According to Hynek's UFO Experience demographics, one can see
that military cases, on which Keyhoe relied heavily, tend to be
DD cases. Perhaps there was just a selection effect of some kind
which led Keyhoe' to his conclusion.

There was also a tendency among early authors to be looking for a
grand design in the report patterns - a master plan unfolding -
which may have helped to lead him to his conclusion.
Unfortunately, from our vantage point 50 years in the future,
where we have access to cases both before and after those
available to him, and we can see that the presentation of UFOs
has not varied greatly in terms of the presence or absence of
either discrete lighting or luminosity.

Further, given that UFOs typically are both faster and more agile
than terrestrial aircraft, one would think the onus for collision
avoidance would be on them.

Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...

Search for other documents from or mentioning: mcashman | galevy

[ Next Message | Previous Message | This Day's Messages ]
This Month's Index |

UFO UpDates Main Index

UFO UpDates - Toronto - Operated by Errol Bruce-Knapp

Archive programming by Glenn Campbell at Glenn-Campbell.com