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Nazi Germany and advanced flying machines

From: "R.Bull" <RAB@cadcentre.co.uk> [Robert Bull]
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:02:00 GMT
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:19:44 -0500
Subject: Nazi Germany and advanced flying machines

>From: "Jason B. Unwin" <jbu@ris.net>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:33:20 -0800

>>From: USDSCUBA@aol.com [Gordon Scott]
>>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:34:15 -0500 (EST)
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Kenneth Arnold's testimony

>>Pretty funny stuff about the birds, however according to a close
>>friend within the military at the time the vehicle as seen by Mr
>>K. Arnold was a German made Gotha Go 229 IX being test flown for
>>radar testing. These high performance aircraft were the same
>>basic flying wing shape as described in his report, and were
>> being tested during the time period. These Go 229 were almost
>>invisible on radar due to the 17 mm plywood skin, and with twin
>>Junkers Jumo 1890 pounds of thrust turbojet engines it was also
>>quite fast. Reichsmarshal Hermann Goring was so impressed he
>>wanted to mass produce these advanced aircraft. This allied
>>information also helped Jack Northrop with his.Amercian designs.
>>The Germans also had an aircraft known as project P-12 with a ram
>>jet, (our own Air Force did the wind tunnel tests after the
>>war). Designed much like our current SR-71 replacment aircraft.

>Sorry, but according to _Janes Encyclopedia of Aviation_ there is
>no such thing as a Gotha Go 229 IX. The closest aircraft
>conceivable were the Gotha Go 242 and 244. The 242 was a glider
>and the 244 was a powered version with 2 French built Gnome-Rhone
>14M engines (pages 427-428). The only thing a Gotha was good for
>was target practice. Even the most primitive jets at the time
>would have utterly destroyed one. What is "Project P-12"? Who was
>the supposed manufacturer of such an aircraft? Ram jets have been
>around in theory for years but very few have been successfully
>flown much less deployed in number. The Me-163 was a tailess
>rocket plane that had only one shot at US bombers due to its lack
>of fuel to stay on station from its rocket engines. The Me 163
>was also a sitting duck as it tried to glide back to its airfield
>with probably a couple US P-51 Mustangs hot on his tail!


Nazi Germany and advanced flying machines.

The most advanced aircraft to enter Luftwaffe service were the
jet-powered Messerschmitt Me 262 and the rocket-powered Me 163.
Also the less well-known, jet-powered Arado Ar 234. All
conventional aircraft (ie wings and tailplanes) with conventional

More advanced was the Horten Ho IX flying-wing jet fighter, one
prototype of which flew as a glider only, the other powered
prototype crashing after only two hours of flight testing. The Ho
IX was to have entered production as the Gotha Go 229, but was
never flown before the Americans overran the plant.
[Was to have had Junkers Jumo 004Bs of 1980 Ibs (900 kg) thrust,
not 1890.]

Most advanced of all was the Messerschmitt P. 1101 swept-wing jet
fighter, which was only partially completed when the Americans
captured it in April 1945. (This was eventually rebuilt as the
variable-geometry Bell X-5, flying in America in 1951.)


(The above from memory. I can dig out my reference source if
anyone is interested.)

Rob Bull

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