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Re: Sherman J. Larsen and Ufology

From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:18:47 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:13:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Sherman J. Larsen and Ufology

>From: Gary Alevy <galevy@pipeline.com>
>Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:03:19 -0500
>Fwd Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:13:46 -0500
>Subject: Re: Sherman J. Larsen and Ufology

Previously, Gary wrote:

>We should always keep in mind the fact that to my critics on
>this list I am a ufological nobody making wild and totally
>unsubstantiated charges. Please read that sentence again, and
>compare it with what has been happening on this list for the
>last several days. That is, my wild and unsubstantiated charges
>have brought down a veritable hurricane of abuse, a level of
>response seemingly far, far above that deserved by wild and
>unsubstantiated charges. Why has this been? Well, as my
>private mail has shown, there is reason for the reaction of my
>critics and those list readers with experience in this field
>know that full well.

(Sorry, ebk, for the following response but I just can't stand
it any more...)

Gary, what a bunch of crap!

You know, I had pretty much bowed out of this "discussion", if
you can call it such, not because I couldn't match wits with
your mental dexterity or your logic, but because you absolutely,
pathologically, uncontrollably refuse to stick with the topic at
hand or to answer one single question regarding the proof
required to back up your "research".

As readers of this List are aware, I (against all odds)
struggled to defend SETI against the wrath of ufologists
everywhere. With the possible exception of one reader, I got
absolutely no support whatsoever from the list. Did I cry
"foul"? No! Did I accuse everyone that disagreed with me of
being part of a conspiracy? Of course not!

Instead, I had a rollicking good time slugging it out with Jerry
and Doc and Jim and Greg and a host of others. We engaged in a
vigorous dialog; each having to take a slightly closer look at
the position we were defending and why.

THAT's what debate is supposed to be.

But what you offer as "discussion" is you asking questions of
others but answering none. What you offer as "research" is a
laundery list of accusations based on nothing more than
speculation. What your consider to be a "veritable hurricane of
abuse" is nothing more than intelligent people asking reasonable

Speaking of which, I can't help but notice that your mode of
operation is to simply avoid questions that you can't answer.
Very shrewed. Particularly, I've noticed that you have NEVER
responded to MY single question or, for that matter, even
acknowledged its existence.

I'm quite sure you had hoped that I had given up, since my one
single question is based on your own "research". In fact, I'd be
willing to bet that this one single question is the biggest
problem in logic that your house of cards is built upon. So,
just in case you didn't read the question the other four or five
times it has been posted, which MUST be the reason you haven't
answered, here it is again:


Here goes...

Since (by your own findings) Larsen and Hynek NEVER told anyone,
not even their closet friends, what the "true nature" was
regarding their UFO work, then how can anyone - particularly you
- arrive at any conclusions regarding their personal or
professional lives without flat out guessing?

I know, I'm just adding to the hurricane of abuse by asking such
unfair questions.

You know, in the beginning, I was willing to give you the
benefit of the doubt. I, personally, could care less about
Larsen and Hynek. But I'll be damned if I'm going to stand by
and let you make accusations about members of this List just
because your logic is flawed and you've talked yourself into a
corner. There's no conspiracy, Gary. Your ego is in serious need
of deflating if you think that everyone on this List is intent
on discrediting you and bringing you down. The truth is that
your kind of "research" is a joke and everyone knows it.
Considering the lack of support by other List members, I
seriously doubt the veracity of your claim regarding your
private email.

In fact, I'll go further than that. I think you are lying. Since
you feel that I'm attacking you, already, why not make the crime
fit the accusation?

I never thought I see the day that I'd quote Ed Stewart, but the
term "intellectual dishonesty" fits you like a glove. I'm sure
your book is going great guns. It's easy to write when you don't
have to back up any claims.

Roger Evans

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