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Re: MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #4

From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:54:09 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 17:03:59 -0400
Subject: Re: MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #4

>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: "Jerome Clark" <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #4
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 12:17:09 PDT

>Let us reflect on the grand words of Ed Ruppelt, than whom none
>has put it better:

>"What constitutes proof? Does a UFO have to land at the River
>Entrance to the Pentagon, near the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>offices?  Or is it proof when a ground radar station detects a
>UFO, sends a jet to intercept it, the jet pilot sees it, and
>locks on with his radar, only to have the UFO streak away at a
>henomenal speed?"

>The apostate,

>Jerry Clark

Dear Apostate:


And regarding the SSE UFO panel you mentioned: I must say I my
response ranged from shock to anger to disappointment as I read
the JSE article on this pane; (now available on the web page)
when I discovered that, apparently, we have learned nothing in
the 30 years since the Condon study. Also I was surpised/shocked
to find out that there is nothing for physical scientists to do
since there is "no physical evidence." And I ask myself....
gee....what have I been doing all these years?

SORRY, WRONG ANSWER is what I would have said to them if they
had given that answer to the question, what can a physical
scientist do. Instead I would have pointed out that physical
scientists are needed, at the very least, to be able to
serparate the wheat from the chaff, the gold from the dross,
etc. You have to have a background in physical sciences to know
what SHOULD NOT be occurring..i.e., to recognize the anomalous
when it occurs (and it does occur!).

So, inspite of the UFO panel I won't give up that ship
(spaceship or other type..... in fact a nice speedboat to take
me water skiing would be a good start).

So, guys, see you in UFO Hell, should that be where we are
banished by conventional science/scientists.

Incidently, the SSE report is not all gloom and doom (just
mostly). Fortunately, (and it may just be dumb luck), the press
put the "best light" on this by emphasizing that for the "first
time" scientists were recommending that UFO sightings be studied
seriously. As result of this "positive spin" the report is not
treated as silly season stuff, even though (or perhaps because)
it states that there is "no physical evidence" of ET (or

In the Washington DC area there is a nighttime talk show which
had one of the UFO panel members on (Jay Melosh of U of
Arizona). He is a "hard nosed" skeptic. I just happened to hear
the beginning of the show as I was riding in my car. When I got
to my office (work late) I called in and was able to speak
with/debate Melosh. It just so happened that the talk show host,
Chip Franklin, had me on his show a year ago to talk about my
book UFOS ARE REAL- HERE'S THE PROOF (Ed Walters and Bruce
Maccabee, Avon paperback,. $6.00 cheap. ....shameless plug).

Franklin, although skeptical, did not write me off as he might
have most. Hence, when I got on the air in the latter half of
the show and did not have time to complete some
statements/thoughts I was expressing, he invited me to stay over
for a "few minutes" the next hour (which was essentially an open
hour in his program). SAo many people called in that I ended up
on his show for the whole hour following Melosh, discussing,
etc., and fielding questions from the audience. (One man who
called in said he was 13 years old near Mt. Kisco New York at
the time of the famous Westchester County UFO sightings
(1983-1986). He was a witness to one particular event of a large
object that flew near his house and was seen by his family and m
any of their neighbors.)

As Franklin said off-line, when this subject comes up, "they
come out of the woodwork." There's a lot of interest "out
there", along with the truth...