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Re: Mexico City Fake [was: Lindemann & Rense Tidy

From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:01:40 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:03:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Mexico City Fake [was: Lindemann & Rense Tidy


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Lindemann & Rense Tidy Up
>Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:21:40 -0400

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>>However, we have held off publication pending analysis of a
>>guaranteed fake for comparison. The fake has been created for
>>use in Robert Kiviat's next TV show (he did the alien autopsy
>>and last summer's "best video evidence") in a couple of weeks.
>>(Kiviat would not release to us a copy of the fake video until
>>just before his show airs).

>Bruce,

>Not my intention to be in anyway offending, but I find hard to
>swallow the fact that yourself and a couple of experts have been
>in the knowing of some decisive new data on the Mexico video and
>that the facts become public in such an indirect (and perhaps
>lucky) manner.

>Especially when you said yourself in concluding your November
>1997 analysis of the Mexico video:

>>TO BE REVISED AS INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE

>I can't understand why nobody triggered a red flag at the time
>(more than a month ago!?).

>How can this be possible since this looks like definitive
>evidence  And can this...

>> pending analysis of a guaranteed fake for comparison

>justify holding off on the evidence. If you can't reproduce a
>fake then it's not a fake>

>My mind is a blank.

Dear Serge,

Please don't let your mind go blank. It's bad for your brain.
(The synapses get lazy.)

When it became apparent two months or so ago that the video had
problems I was at that time  being promised by Kiviat that I
would have a comparison fake "soon" that he had requested for
comparison. I still haven't got it. If things had worked out as I
expected, however, I would have gotten it well over a month ago
and then published a paper. As it is, I did announce this at the
Mid Atlantic MUFON Symposium on May 12. I figured that Kiviat's
fakers wouldn't hear about it as a result of telling that
relatively small audience (less than 100).

I also mentioned that Sainio has written a letter to Walt Andrus
and to the Elders. They told Maussan, so he was aware of it by
the time of the recent MUFON conference (but not as of the tiome
of the Project Awareness meeting).

I wanted to wait until I had the fake in hand before general
publication because I didn't want the guaranteed fakers of
Kiviat's video to know what we were looking for so we could see
if they made the same mistakes. However, that fake video has been
completed and so it no longer matters whether they know or not
(they can't modify what is already incorporated into Kiviat's
production.)

I will not state, as does Sainio, that I am, 100 % confident that
the Mexcity video of Aug 6 is a fake, but as I have said before,
it has serious problems that might only be explained, if at all,
by having access to the cameraman and the original camera.