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Re: Mexico City Fake

From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:30:13 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:19:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Mexico City Fake

>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:01:40 -0400
>From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Mexcity fake?
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Lindemann & Rense Tidy Up
>>Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:21:40 -0400

Dear Bruce,

>Please don't let your mind go blank. It's bad for your brain.
>(The synapses get lazy.)

My synapses usually go blank on overloading when the connections
get so intense that some sort of electrical building gets on the
way and I go: DZITT.

>When it became apparent two months or so ago that the video had
>problems I was at that time  being promised by Kiviat that I
>would have a comparison fake "soon" that he had requested for
>comparison. I still haven't got it. If things had worked out as I
>expected, however, I would have gotten it well over a month ago
>and then published a paper. As it is, I did announce this at the
>Mid Atlantic MUFON Symposium on May 12. I figured that Kiviat's
>fakers wouldn't hear about it as a result of telling that
>relatively small audience (less than 100).


>I wanted to wait until I had the fake in hand before general
>publication because I didn't want the guaranteed fakers of
>Kiviat's video to know what we were looking for so we could see
>if they made the same mistakes. However, that fake video has been
>completed and so it no longer matters whether they know or not
>(they can't modify what is already incorporated into Kiviat's

Isn't Bob Kiviat the guy from FOX that Friedman and Randle
wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole? I hope you have a very long
spoon when you go lunching with the guy.

>I will not state, as does Sainio, that I am, 100 % confident that
>the Mexcity video of Aug 6 is a fake, but as I have said before,
>it has serious problems that might only be explained, if at all,
>by having access to the cameraman and the original camera.

This looks like the Santilli syndrome: for debunkers, no
evidence can ever be acceptable when it proves the reality of
UFOs, but, for some ufologists, no evidence can ever be
discarded even when its trash. Looks like the birth of another
urban legend.

This is why I go DZITT:

For two months (geez!) highly significant evidence has been
witheld to the interested people (e.g. the ones who have the
right to know) because credible ufologists were making business
with someone who applies to the Stacy Form. And since this is
not enough, we will still be talking of the Mexico Fake as
possible evidence in 10 years.


Serge Salvaille

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simple. (And so is his co-confabulator, ___________.)

You can send him my e-mail address, and you can send his attorney
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And anyone who believes him for more than a minute is a goddam

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