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Re: Mexico City Fake

From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:19:07 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 13:33:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Mexico City Fake

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Mexico City Fake
>Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:30:13 -0400

>Isn't Bob Kiviat the guy from FOX that Friedman and Randle
>wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole? I hope you have a very long
>spoon when you go lunching with the guy.

Kiviat worked for Unsolved Mysteries some years ago and then set
up his own company in 1995 and produced the Alien Autopsy TV
show. He did the "Best Video Evidence" last summer andis coming
out with another which will "surprise" all the believers, I am
told. (I have not seen his latest effort.)

>>I will not state, as does Sainio, that I am, 100 % confident that
>>the Mexcity video of Aug 6 is a fake, but as I have said before,
>>it has serious problems that might only be explained, if at all,
>>by having access to the cameraman and the original camera.

>This looks like the Santilli syndrome: for debunkers, no
>evidence can ever be acceptable when it proves the reality of
>UFOs, but, for some ufologists, no evidence can ever be
>discarded even when its trash. Looks like the birth of another
>urban legend.

Yes, sad but true. The propoer response is that of Stanton
Friedman: have a large "grey basket" in which you store
sightings or information for which there is..... (to borrow a
phrase from Special Report #14)..."Insufficient Evidence" to
conclude one way or another.

>For two months (geez!) highly significant evidence has been
>witheld to the interested people (e.g. the ones who have the
>right to know) because credible ufologists were making business

Don't know what you mean by "making business". This analysis
is not associated with any money for me or Sainio. All the $$
eventually went through the Elders to Maussan, so far as I can

>with someone who applies to the Stacy Form. And since this is
>not enough, we will still be talking of the Mexico Fake as
>possible evidence in 10 years.

>The Stacy Form: please fill in the blanks

>If he/she believes ___________ claims, then God help us all.
>Begging _________'s pardon, but there hasn't been a bigger liar
>in the field since the days of __________.

>Let's cut the crap. ___________ is a goddam liar, pure and
>simple. (And so is his co-confabulator, ___________.)

>You can send him my e-mail address, and you can send his attorney
>my e-mail address.

>I repeat: ___________ is a goddam liar.

>And anyone who believes him for more than a minute is a goddam

>Have I made myself clear?

>___________ is a goddam liar. ___________ is merely a man after a

>Any questions?

>.      Signed: ___________________

>PS: ___________ is a goddam liar.

HA HA HA. This form certainly has a familiar sort of "ring" to