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Re: 'The Unexplained' & Phoenix Lights

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:14:03 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:33:48 -0400
Subject: Re: 'The Unexplained' & Phoenix Lights

>Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:39:11 +0100
>From: Donald  Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Unexplained' & Phoenix Lights

>>From: Susan Baldwin <sblee@stc.net>
>>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'The Unexplained' & Phoenix Lights
>>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:56:29 -0400

>>>Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:57:43 -0700
>>>From: frances emma barwood <fbarwood@primenet.com>
>>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>>Subject: 'The Unexplained' & Phoenix Lights

>>>This Thursday on A&E channel there will be a show called "The
>>>Unexplained".  It is supposed to be about the Phoenix Lights and the
>>>producer called me this evening to let me know so that I would watch
>>>it.  He said that I am in it.  Hope it is good.

>>>Let me know what you thought of it after you watch.

>>>Thanks, Frances


>>I think you deserve a big "attagirl" for sticking your political
>>neck out. The skeptics in my opinion were the ones that came off
>>looking like fools. No matter how rationally you discuss UFOs
>>though its not going to go down like discussing world peace,

>>I don't know about the rest of the crew here but it's hard for me
>>to look at those shows from a non-believer's perspective. That
>>might be the best opinion to get.

>>I think the show presented you as a truth-seeker which is what
>>most of us are, in all our variations.


Don writes:

>This was my first opportunity to view the Pheonix Lights on
>video. I would have preferred to see more of them from different
>angles, however they appeared to be over a populated area. THAT
>rules out flares. If the Air Guard or the USAF in any way
>admitted to dropping flares in a populated area, not to mention
>a FAA controlled airspace, somebody's ass would be grass as they

Speaking of the FAA, no-one (FAA included) has bothered to track
down the _commercial_pilot_ that called into the Pheonix tower
personel requesting instructions because he had the thing/
object/flare(?) overhead as he approached for a landing. This
-fact- was reported twice on local (Phoenix) newscasts (I have
copies of both broadcasts) and yet nobody researching this thing
has tried to track down this _key_witness_ and 'try to'
interview him!

The eyewitness testimony of highly skilled professional(s) would
go a long way toward clearing up what has become a cloudy mess.
I pluralized "professionals" lest we forget that if this was
indeed a 'commercial flight' that the pilot was accompanied in
the cockpit by a co-pilot, a navigator, and maybe passenger
witnesses who may also have been firsthand witnesses to the
"event." Unless I missed something along the way, (and I doubt
it because I've followed this one very closely since day two!)
I've heard no mention made of the pilot.

Re: Our freaking Airforce,

I had dismissed that one as cover-up BS based on the fact that
the Airforce came out with that "visiting Maryland unit"
dropping flares during field training excersizes at Barry
Goldwater test range _months_ after the fact. When Luke AFB was
called on _the_eve_ of the event they "denied having _any_
knowledge" and told inquiring local reporters that "no military
excersizes or activities had taken place or had been scheded for
that particular night." When they came up with the "Maryland
unit" thing I figured that such a story told so long after the
fact with them having had ample oportunity to concoct (and
arrange to verify) it, kind of disqualified it as unreliable. I
dismissed it as a "possible" attemp at cover-up. Sombody at Luke
AFB _had_to_have_known_ that a whole goddam unit was out
lighting up the skies over Goldwater range whether it was for
the purpose of testing flares or to practice bombing the hell
out of it! It's just too convenient on the part of the AF. I
wholeheartedly agree with Don that the Phoenix sighting is far
from being a "dead" issue.

>I see that Jim Dilettoso [sp] is still with us.

I wouldn't count _that_one_ as much of a 'plus' Don. <EG> It
would be prudent to seperate Dilettoso from the event and the
eyewitness testimony of all those local residents. Dilettoso is
an albatross around the neck of this case. His ties to the
always controversial Billy Maeier case and the Elders kind of
puts him on the "bench" as far as I'm concerned.

He wasn't a firsthand witness. His insistance on an ET
explanation of the event (almost since day one) amounts to
_pure_speculation_ on his part. His (questionable) analysis
aside, such a thing (ET origin) could not be proven even if the
sighting is eventually determined to be an actual object of
unknown manufacture or origin floating in the skies over Pheonix
on that night. How could anyone declare with any degree of
certainty that the "occupants" were from somewhere else?  What
is needed is a competent, unbiased and independant
investigation. Something that we will never get.

Guys like Dilettoso screaming "ET" right away hurt what may
still be an important case. I'll back any efforts to investigate
the Arizona sightings, but as far as I'm concerned he has
nothing to do with it. Check the case on its own merits. It
really doesnt need to be tied to a "questionable" character like
Jim Dilettoso.

There were mucho witnesses to this event! I'd take _their_ word_
(the word of my neighbors,) over the word of an Airforce "Public
Information Officer" any day of the week! At least the
probabilty that the lips of the civilian witnesses are not
crazy-glued to the anus of some "Costumed clown" is much less
than in the case of a career AF Public Information Officer. <EG>

Thank you Frances, for keeping this one alive! You're one gutsy
lady and you have my complete support. I wish I lived in Arizona
just so I could vote for you. <G>


John Velez, Webmaster, IF-AIC.com
"Barwood for President!" <VBG>