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Re: UFO UpDate: NATO 'Firefly' - Black Budget

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:03:17 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:52:32 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: NATO 'Firefly' - Black Budget

>From: Graham M. Wilson <gwilson_spur@lineone.net>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: NATO 'Firefly'
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:59:31 +0100

>The craft is an equilateral-shaped triangle, each edge, from tip
>to tip, is approx. 184ft.

>The 'Firefly' is one of the current generation of super-stealth
>aircraft, still part of the black-budget programme.

Actually, that's not really true. Firefly was the name given to
the German stealth project cancelled after US pressure in the
1980s. I doubt they'd call a new craft by the same name. There
is stealth or no stealth - not super-stealth. Does this mean
that you agree with my conclusions that they may use active
stealth systems, phased conjugated pulse etc.??

>This is not the alleged 'HALO' product, which is a smokescreen
>designed to lure inquisitive researchers away from the
>'Firefly', Warton are going to great lengths to keep ufologists
>interested in that facility and its craft.

Warton has not gone to any lengths at all. In any case, their
own propaganda and press releases admit their involvement in
advanced stealth projects. I do not spend my time parked outside
Warton because for quite some time operations have been taking
place elsewhere!

Australia is where I'd fly some of these craft.....

I knew about the West Freugh links in 1995 - secret triangular
a/c were flying out of there in 1970!!!

>Near silent in operational flight, near silent hover

Sounds like LTA with these advanced propellers.

>The underside lighting configuration is so designed as to give
>conflicting eye-witness accounts of the lighting and indeed
>shape of the craft, the three large circular red lights in each
>point can converge in the centre to form one very large red or
>white light.

This seems sensible. Tony Gonsalves came to similar conclusions
about lighting in 1990. We concluded this very early on.

>The craft is fitted with various psychotronic devices, including
>certain beam weapons that can induce psychological and
>physiological effects on humans and animals alike, including
>pulsed phased lighting effects that can induce a fit,
>convulsions, or merely varied hallucinagenic states.

This has been possible for years. Non-lethal weapons are very
popular these days....

>The disrupters, the sound weapons, can disoreintate individuals,
>this can then go on to cause physical displacement, and if the
>signals are strong enough, prove fatal.

We'll have to see about that but no witness that I have spoken
to has claimed any side effects (apart from awe) from an FT
sighting. Perhaps only annoyance when their local UFO group has
rushed to the press with an alien story.

So who has died as a result of a triangle sighting?

>I am informed that there are two of these craft in Europe in
>current operation, one is based at Boscombe Down, and shares
>flight operations with Macrihanish. The other craft is based in

Where in Germany? Ramstein???

>The USA have two craft, of slightly different
>configuration. The craft is manned or crewed by NATO personnel,
>it is believed all participating NATO countries supply flight
>crew. Flight simulators are located in the UK, Germany and the

This is impossible - far too many people would know and there
would be no operational reason to have crew from 'every' NATO

A 184 foot triangle at Boscombe Down? Which hangar would they
keep it in? Have you ever been to Macrahanish? It's virtually
abandoned although it was used for a couple of exercises
involving paratroops last year (August?).

Remember this, the triangle may well have VTOL ability.
Therefore the need to operate it from the ever-so-long airfield
at Macrahanish doesn't make sense.