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Re: The Rod

From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:08:11 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:46:10 -0400
Subject: Re: The Rod


> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:17:27 -0700 (PDT)
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
> Subject: The Rod

> Is there an expert on "rods" on this list?

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You can compare your sighting with rod photographs on:

http://www.roswellrods.com/

Joe and his wife are the best experts on the phenomenon and
respond to any email sent from the web site.

Also Jim Peters knows a bit about rods.  You can reach him at:

James_Peters@compuserve.com

I must admit that I was quite skeptical about these high speed
thingies; but, the information on the web page has forced me to
keep an open mind about it.

Terry

"There is more in Heaven and Earth than ever dreamed in your
philosophy..."



lippings and the old "American legion"-article about this affair. Now has a friend made some research in the "Bundesarchiv, Koblenz" about this matter - but she has found only only two notices in the files of the "Reichsforschungsamt, Waffen- und Munitionsentwicklung". But I must say there are not reports from own sources by this agency but only translated reports from a) a swedish newspaper (AFTONBLATED, December 1944) and b) a transcript (in the volume of 6 lines!) from the "Interradio Sonderdienst" (also December 1944). This bring up nothing! I=B4m now 25 years active here in Germany on the UFO-field as researcher and case-investigator but never found a man which has reported me a foo fighter-sighting - on the other side few people come up which has phantastic storys about their works on the socalled Nazi-saucer (but these men were all crackpots). Werner =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Subject: Re: Foo-Fighters: The German view Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:40:10 -0600 From: "wendy.connors" <wendy.connors@MCI2000.COM> To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Hi Werner, I also like the Foo Fighter aspects of ufology. There are very interesting elements about it all. What I find so difficult to deal with is that when they were reported they were either ignored or written off as something else. I really don't know, but think this may be possible. As a researcher I find it very hard to find good reports on foo fighters since many of the people who observed them from various aircraft during the war are difficult to locate or are dead. Even the reports available are very misleading at times. It would very interesting to actually know what the German airmen saw and how they reported such objects. Did they believe that the American or English forces were using advanced technology? Whichever it may be, or even something else, the foo fighter mystery is very interesting! Wendy Connors =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Subject: Re: Foo-Fighters: The German view Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:56:55 -0400 From: Werner Walter <113236.1604@COMPUSERVE.COM> To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Hi Wendy, sure the foo fighter-phenomena is interessting like many others aspects in the UFO field, but I must express my concern that I can=B4t find clean sources or direct-witness on these things here in Germany. It=B4s seems that's all mythology. Werner =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Subject: Re: Foo-Fighters: The German view Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:24:00 -0600 From: "wendy.connors" <wendy.connors@MCI2000.COM> To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Hi Werner, I was thinking about the foo fighter phenomenon last night and thought that the technical library at Wright-Patterson AFB may have something regarding the German view of such phenomenon in the original documents brought back under Operation LUSTY and Project PaperCLIP. Col. McCoy and Col. Deyarmond worked in getting these documents translated and organized. Do you think there might be a possibility of better sources being the original documents in German rather than the translated versions? I am thinking here on the lines of language idiosyncracies that are difficult to translate from the original language. [....] Wendy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Subject: Re: Foo-Fighters: The German view Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:57:14 -0700 From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET> To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Greeting List The actual German Air Force and other records from the National Archives were returned to Germany some time ago. I don't know about the records at Wight-Patterson. They indeed might be a good source. Greenwood mentioned that there was a USAF reveiw of the foo-fighters done in early 1952. However, I think he is referring to a review of the Horten Brothers aircraft as a source of "flying saucers." I can't find references to such a "foo-fighter" study in the USAF Intelligence Decimal Correspondence File, however the references to the German aircraft study are there. If I can find it, there is a later, about 1953, USAF intelligence document that referred to lighted objects carried by balloons as the source of "foo-fighter" reports. Of course, the Germans would know of these since they were the source. I'll see if I can find that. I am dubious of this theory. Some "foo-fighter" reports are given below from both official and unofficial sources. Best regards, Jan N =3D new not in Weinstein's catalogue D =3D reports in the catalogue, but with new details N1943.11.26, ---, Bremen, Germany, "Rings of flame 2 or 3 feet in diameter, green, corkscrewed thru formation, as floating." (Data on Unusual Objects & Missiles Encountered on Missions, 8th Air Force files, Feb-May 1945.) N1943.12.14, night. Italy on night patrol to Naples, Beaufighter 255th RAF Squadron (Night Fighter), "dogfight" with "The Light" a bright light which out climbed aircraft.(Letter, Report Form, Logbook extract, Andy Roberts' Collection) N1944.06.-- Day, NE of Bari over the Adriatic Sea, 3 P-38, 1st Fighter Group, training mission at 33,000 feet, objects a silver disk-shaped object at about 50,000. It dropped to about 40,000 and stayed over the formation for about 3 minutes, then suddenly accelerated North. (CUFOS Report Form) N1944.-----, Night, South Atlantic, military transport flying from Brazil to Africa, 4 pilots, 2 bright lights came toward the plane, separated and went around the plane, then they turned and flew along side the aircraft for four or five minutes. (Alexandria, LA, TOWN TALK, 20 April 1980.) (cf. 10 July 1947, Arizona report.) D1944.08.10, the Records of the 792d Bombardment Squadron's history confirms that Lt. Reidas was indeed on the mission described by him on this date. There are no details about the mission or bombing results or unusual sightings. As he was detacted for this mission, mission reports would probably be in the attacking unit's files. (792d Bomb Sq History) N1944.08.10, Night, B-29, 40th Bombardment Group, two aircraft crews reported seeing a green flare followed by an amber-orange flash horizontally accross the nose of the aircraft. (There were no fighters, or searchlights on this mission and flak was meager.) (40th Bomb Sq History) N1944.10.30, 2125 hours, Germany leaving Cologne, Halifax III, 640 RAF Squadron, flight engineer and gunner, saw a ball of fire following the aircraft that was on a heading of 107 degrees. It appeared to be closing. Aircraft took evasive action and the light was lost. A few seconds later an aircraft on port caught fire. (Letter, Andy Roberts' collection) N1944.10.30, 0145 hours, Munich, Germany, 419th Bomb Squadron, B-17 on a "Lone Wolf" mission. A light blue ball of fire paced aircraft for a time. ("The Raven," 301st Bomb Group veteran's publication, August 1994.) N NLT1944.11.10, daylight, Coast of Formosa just west of Okayama at 25,000 feet, B-29?, black dot seem to hang in the air without movement or explosition. It was smaller than a flak burst, and looked like an object rather than a cloud of smoke. (Weekly Intelliegence Summary #11, 10 Nov 44, HQ, Eastern Air Command, South East Asia) N1944.11.22, 1900-2200 hours, Germany, Coblenz, 422d Night Fighter Squadron (NFS), 4-6 "jets" reported, 3 on line abreast.(9th Tactical Air Command (TAC) Operation Summary (Opsum) #167) N1944.11.27-28, between 2330-0330 hours, Germany, Cologne-Bonn area, 422d NFS, 3 "Jets" seen by patrols. (9th TAC, Opsum #173) N1945.------ -------- Formosa, Radio operator on a B-24 saw a vertical chain of luminous globes, one following the other in a spiral climb towards the aircraft. They continued to climb out of view. (Stringfield, Inside Saucer Post.....Blue, page 8.) (Balloons on a line?) N1945.02.22, Night, Near Chichi Jima, B-24 #501, 98th Bomb Group, "2 exhausts" seen, indication on SCR 717C radar. Followed for 20 miles and disappeared. (Letter to Project Blue Book ("Life magazine file," from diary entry.)) N1945.03.26, Night, Near Iwo Jima, P-61-B, 549th Night Fighter Squadron (NFS), Gunner saw lights on an airborne object that followed them through turns. P-61 gave chase, with a slight radar contact. Object pulled out of sight. (549th NFS Unit History for March 1945) N1945.03.27, Night, Near Iwo Jima, P-61-B, 549th NFS, night patrol saw lighted object similar to the one encountered on the previous night. (549th NFS Unit History for March 1945) N1945.04.03, Night, Japan, B-29 formation, two orange balls of fire. One near IP and the other over the target appeared to come from the ground and then move even wtiht he B-29s along the flight paths. No explosions. (Report of Operation 3-4 April 1945, HQ 21st Bomber Command)