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Re: Mr. Werner Walter And His Reality

From: Jakes Louw <louwje@telkom.co.za>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:20:39 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:56:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Mr. Werner Walter And His Reality

>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:29:33 -0400
>From: Werner Walter <113236.1604@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Mr. Werner Walter And His Reality
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

I have to sympathize with Werner, as it would seem that Mr.
Joachim Koch has some hidden agenda regarding UFO research in

I do not consider Joachim to be a reliable source for the
following reason:

Despite repeated requests for facts and detail around 2 alleged
crash/retrievals in the Southern Africa region, he has failed to

I challenged him on this list to enlarge on his claims of
"further information", but have as yet seen nothing further,
except stunning silence.

Here is what Cynthia Hind has to say about the 2 incidents:

"Dear Jakes,  Thanks for your e-mail.  As far as I am concerned,
the alleged UFO crash on the South African/Botswana Border was
not a UFO: it was the testing of an advanced weapon (probably,
laser) which landed where it should not have been! The
Leribe/Lesotho crash was a total scam from beginning to end as
Michael Hesemann, one of the top investigators from Germany,
actually went to Leribe with Kenny MacKinnon of SAUFORA (based
in Johannesburg). None of the people supposedly involved were
traceable, nor were any of the South African Intelligence
Officers named. I do edit a small magazine called UFO AFRINEWS
which explains both cases in detail.  I am pretty certain that
in these two incidents,  the whole story, faked documents etc.
were engineered by James van Gruenen(sic), a young man who was
involved with UFOs from the age of 16 when he joined MUFON.

It is a long and complicated story but I have gone into it very
thoroughly in UFO AFRINEWS No 3(May 1990), No. 4 (March 1991)
and No. 5 (January 1992)  And the Lesotho story is in No 14
(January 1996). "


"I have veritable proof of the hoaxing from fairly high-up
personages, and yet, the public and some investigators and
magazines, persist in believing that UFOs crashed in both of
these places.  What can one do?

All the best,  Cynthia Hind."

I hope to receive copies of Cynthia's articles soon, and then
perhaps Mr. Koch and I can have a little debate regarding the


Jakes E. Louw