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Re: Meier Picture

From: Don Ecker <decker@ufomag.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 10:25:06 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:07:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Meier Picture

> From: Mendoza, Duke Peter Brookesmith <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Meier Pictures
> Sender: Mendoza <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> Compliments of the Duke:

> >From: Don Ecker <decker@ufomag.com>

> >The Mossad used a .22 caliber weapon for "executive actions",
> >but it was a Berreta (sp?) in a .22 caliber SHORT.

> My informants beg to differ, and I wouldn't trust a .22 Short to
> do such dirty work; and I don't think Beretta made a pistol in
> that calibre (not that Mossad wouldn't be able to order a
> special, of course). But I have moles burrowing to double check.
> It was certainly my understanding that Gerald Bull, designer of
> the Iraqui "supergun", exited this life thanks to the .22WMR.

My dear Duke.

Your British view on firearms is showing. You better check back
with your moles. Beretta DID make such a weapon, Mossad did use
it, and it was in .22 short. The idea was that such a pistol can
be made to be virtually SILENT with the addition of a sound
suppresser. The operator's job was to get right next to the
target and then fire "point blank" into the targets cranium 5 or
6 times. How do I know? They blew an assassination in Europe
where they hit the wrong Arab. The target was believed to have
been a part of the terrorist team that murdered Israeli athletes
in Munich, Germany in 1972. The point being they get "up close
and personal" with the target.

We had a .22 caliber LR pistol, a High-Standard, for special
operations in Viet Nam. A bit larger than the Berretta, but it
was used in pretty much the same way.

> >But back to
> >the reason I wrote this, the idea of comparing a .22 WMR to a
> >.45 ACP as carrying more kinetic energy is just patently
> >ridiculous. Kind of like comparing a small stone to a huge block
> >of granite.

> Not entirely. Compare these ammo specs:

> CCI +V     .22WMR   40gr  2000ft/sec  355ft/lb
> Federal    .22WMR   50gr  1650ft/sec  302ft/lb

> Winchester .45ACP  185gr   775ft/sec  245ft/lb
> Winchester .45ACP  210gr   710ft/sec  235ft/lb
> Winchester .45ACP  230gr   850ft/sec  410ft/lb

HOKAY Dukey ol' chum. Don't have an idea where you got your specs
at, but Gee they just don't seem quite correct. The .22 WMR 40
Grn. round leaving the bore at 2000 fps? Don't think so amigo.
Not out of a pistol at anyrate. Perhaps a rifle IF IT WERE LOADED

And Dukey, the Winchester .45 185 Grn. at 775 fps? NOPE, not in
this lifetime. Well, maybe if were a handloaded TARGET Round. Not
the "Silvertip". That is a very hot cartridge, over a 1000 fps
out of a 5 inch barrel. The 210 Grn. round? Real close to 1000
fps. Now I know Errol will be getting tired of this without the
UFO connection. So since you are a part of the skeptical
community (read that..... UFOs can't exist cause they can't
exist) I suggest you do some more study on the .45 ACP question
and the UFO one as well.

Oh yes, and I send my compliments as well.

Don (Sam Colt was a Hell of a Man) Ecker

Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with
Don Ecker
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