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Re: Area 51 Still Operational

From: John Rimmer <johnr@magonia.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:59 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:56:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Area 51 Still Operational

>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Skywatch: Area 51 Still Operational
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:10:24 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>The UFO phenomenon is not supported by Lazar, or crop circles, or
>any of the promiscuously promised "great revelations" that are
>"just around the corner". It is supported by over 50 years of
>well documented sightings and trace evidence.

Here we go again, more armwaving. Where are these cases? Where is the
documentation other than in a stream of unreferenced pot-boilers?

>While the Lazars, Corsos, and Santilli's of the world endlessly
>promise and never deliver substantial proof of their wild claims,
>the real sightings are going on, and the data potential they
>represent is largely untapped.

>How many good distance estimates have slipped through the cracks,
>to take just one key measurement? With good distance
>measurements, we can do altitude, speed, luminous energy output.
>Yet few investigators make an effort to obtain triangulation,
>they simply rely on wild guesses by witnesses.

How can you get good distance measurements without first
*knowing* the altitude, size, etc? How can you get triangulations
if there's just one witness location? Where are the cases with
witnesses clearly seeing the same object from distant locations?

Documentation please!

>How many areas exist for some good experimental science to be
>done on UFOs? Many. If nothing else, work on free-air ionization,
>electrostatic and electrodynamic effects on lighting and power
>systems, energy required to produce burn traces and ground
>impressions in various sorts of soil...

Again, where are these trace cases? Jerome Clark was making great
deal of noise a while ago about Trans-en-Provence (France) but
he's gone all quiet about that now that it's been demolished by
French researchers who were actually on the spot. Now I see
someone on the Update is trying to resurrect Ubatuba which was
buried 30 years ago. Do me a favour!

>Science on UFOs is moved forward by incremental basic work,
>founded on good field investigation, not by revelation. And if
>half the effort spent on the tricksters was spent on real science
>done on real cases, we'd be getting somewhere.

I agree. If people were doing REAL research we wouldn't be
wasting our time on the dear dead extraterrestrial hypothesis.

>So don't lose hope, but shift focus to where the real work can be
>done. And remember: If it sounds like a con, it probably is a
>con. Don't waste time on tricks.

Here, here. And most of what I read sounds like a con to me.

John Rimmer

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