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Re: John Ford

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 16:33:17 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:26:02 -0400
Subject: Re: John Ford

> From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: John Ford

> >Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:46:54 -0500
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: John Ford [was: Alfred's Odd Ode #251]

> <snip>

> >If this is true, that John Ford has been institutionalized
> >because of his belief in UFOs, then we all have _a lot_ to think
> >about.

> I'll jump in here and just say that if people were
> institutionalized purely on their belief in UFOs, then the
> institutions will be full to bursting point.

That's a fallacious leap to the absurd -- good buddy. The issue
is unlawful retaliation against lawful but inconvenient and
tiresome opposition -- using the UFO issue as *obvious*
supporting evidence of his (Ford's) lack of faculty, and criminal

> There ARE insane people out there, and John Ford _appears_ to be
> one of them.

I think a valid question at this point is -- "Who says"? The
machine that put him there?

> His belief in UFOs is _probably_ irrelevant.

...So don't bet _everything_ that he deserves to be where he is?

> But assuming he's an innocent victim of a worldwide conspiracy
> takes a LOT to beleive -

That sounds like an opinion <g>.

> independent QUALIFIED mental analysis
> would solve the issue either way.

You have to _believe_ in them, too. I just finished up a twenty
page paper on debilitating mental illness (sent on request). The
_ethical_ money supports that psychologists and psychiatrists
(psy guys of _any_ stripe) don't have a clue what they are doing,
are groping in blacked out paradigms of process and convenience,
and serve harsh early century mores of protection of property
over individual rights. A broad brush, but a lot of the paint

> I haven't seen anyone on here
> claim that he shouldn't be instituationalized and be able to back
> it up properly.

If there is a GRAIN of conspiracy in his incarceration everything
you just said is meaningless. There is no *news* regarding John
Ford, and some straight up people (as far as I can tell) who know
the particulars _will_ stand for him.

Elaine Douglass E-Mail: elaine26@juno.com (Washington D.C.)
Steve Iavarone (Vice president-Long Island UFO Network , New York)
Kelly Freeman (Florida)
Tony West (New York)
Joe Zuppardo (New York)
Don Jernigan (President-PIC-Phenomenon Investigation Committee, Ohio)
Jim Donohoe (Editor-Equinoxe UFO Newsletter, Ohio)
Richard Jones (New York)

These people indicate that the whole "John Ford" story strains
credulity to the breaking point, and is not set right by mere
pronouncments regarding the mental fidelity of one man when that
man was such a strident inconvenience to the machine that brought
him down...

> Restore John Ford - if he's confirmed sane and innocent.

John Velez has already pointed out that it may be too late for
that. If he's crazy now he was likely driven to it. I think _I_
would be a raving lunatic after being accused of heinous crimes I
did not commit, institutionalized for three years as a UFO loon
(for the protection of the community), intellectually paralyzed
by lobotomizing drugs, and lastly -- _forgotten_ by my peers. I'd
be flip city, dude! Foop Shooby! Crazy, man. Certifiable!

I don't know John Ford from a rusty door knob -- I understand
that he is abrasive, and unlikable ... it doesn't matter! The
situation smells, it doesn't hold together, and too many people
had to be *impossibly* crazy at the same time for there to be
even a _shred_ of believability to it. You assume institutional
fidelity where there may be none, sir. We ALL lose when that is
the case. And when it becomes convenient, any one of us could be
next. That's the issue.


Restore John Ford, no ifs, or buts, and at any cost -- though the
heavens fall (pardoning my penchant for hyperbole)!
Explore the Alien View?


"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake.

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