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Re: Occam's Razor and UFOs

From: Jean-Luc Rivera <PSaintc798@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:42:20 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:03:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Occam's Razor and UFOs

>From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: Occam's Razor and UFOs
>Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:45:41 -0400


>If the PH is valid it implies that the UFO is most widespread in
>countries which share social and economic conditions, and have
>similar cultural values. As the UFO phenomenon seems most
>widespread in the USA we would expect it to be experienced most
>often in similar societies. This does seem to be the case. The
>countries with the greatest number of UFO reports, and public
>interest in ufology, besides the USA are either those which
>share its cultural and social background, e.g. the UK, Western
>Europe, Canada; or those which have wide exposure to US cultural
>and social values, e.g. Central and South America (and no,
>Jerry, this isn't some sort of Ameriphobia, I actually quite
>*like* most American social and cultural values).

>We would expect the UFO phenomena to be least widespread in
>those societies which either do not share this social
>background, or are actually hostile to it, e.g. the Islamic
>countries, most of Africa, Asia (except Japan), and this is
>indeed the case. This is not, of course, to say that no UFO
>reports at all come from those countries.

We don't know how widespread the UFO phenomenon is in these
parts of the world: the lack of investigators or just of
channels to receive the reports maybe the reason of the absence
or quasi-absence. In Malaysia, thanks to the work of Ahmad
Jamaludin, we have learned of the existence of UFO waves which
would have gone unreported otherwise.

Furthermore the works of Bertrand Meheust (in Algeria and Gabon)
and Thierry Pinvidic (in Algeria) published in France show that
the UFO phenomenon exists in different cultures and apparently
awaits to be reported. These 2 french researchers cannot be
suspected of deep ETH bias in their investigations as the list
members not familiar with french ufology must know that they are
supporters of the PH.


>We are beginning to see more reports and film from the
>Czech Republic for example, and elsewhere. And this is not
>simply a factor of the freeing of press and other media in those
>countries - even in the Communist era there seemed to be no
>serious block to reports coming out of Eastern Europe. In the
>Communist era the Eastern European country which seemed to have
>the most UFO reports was Romania, which at the time was seen as
>breaking from the Soviet Bloc.

If you really believe that, please read Boris Shurinov history
of the UFO movement in the former USSR. Don't you remember also
how at one point only Juri Lina was able to translate for the
FSR some UFO samizdats smuggled out of the country. You are
right only for Romania with Ion Hobana.


>I'll tell you what would disprove the Psychosocial Hypothesis: a
>decent sized UFO wave, with abductions, in North Africa or the
>Middle East, within the next few years. When that happens I'll
>>start watching the skies!

Do you really think that if there was a wave of " alien
abductions " in Ahghanistan or in some middle eastern or african
country torn by war and closed to foreigners we would hear about

>Good Hunting
>John Rimmer

I am sure that the remarks above will not end the debate: it can
always be argued anyway that western cultural contamination is
spread via the investigator( for example Cynthia Hind in
Zimbabwe ....) or that if the " natives " think about making a
report they are already culturally contaminated. It is a no win
situation ( the same kind of debate has been raging
inconclusively in the anthropological fields for many years ).

In the mean time I will keep enjoying reading your posts which
are always stimulating.

Jean-Luc Rivera

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