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Re: Asking Pamela Stonebrooke

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:24:03 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:01:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Asking Pamela Stonebrooke

>Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:29:52 -0700
>From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Asking Pamela Stonebrooke

>> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:55:01 -0500
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>> Subject: Asking Pamela Stonebrooke

><snip>

>> >>Pamela wrote:

>> >>I believe that on one level, I may be meeting these entities ...
>> >>or perhaps they are different aspects of myself.  I don't
>> >>really know;

An "experiencer" asks,

>> I think that the answer to this question is paramount to all
>> others in Pamela's account.  If she doesn't "really know" with
>> any certainty, how can she possibly discriminate between her
>> actual experiences and the internal workings of her mind?

Skye contributes:

>The issue of discriminating between "actual experience" and
>"internal workings of mind" are hardly limited to the abduction
>arena.  This is a constant thorn in the side of each one of us
>and this issue shouldn't be used to debunk or devalue the
>experience of any individual.  Those that claim they can easily
>make this distinction -- or that such a simple distinction can be
>made -- are probably not demonstrating the self-awareness
>necessary to even begin to make this distinction.
>--

>Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
>ICQ Pager 6797092

Hello,

You write:

>This is a constant thorn in the side of each one of us
>and this issue shouldn't be used to debunk or devalue the
>experience of any individual.

The person that submitted the post was not "debunking" or
attempting to "devalue" anything. Those are -your- words and
interpretation Skye. It has nothing to do with the questions
being asked. Pamela made a statement and the post asks a
pertinent question(s). How is that "debunking" or "devaluing?"

I think you are reading more into it than is actually there.
Don't let the fact that people actually question the nature of
their own experiences threaten you so. No-one is out to hurt or
defame anyone here. Those "motives" (debunking and devaluing)
exist _only_ in your interpretation of the post! <G>

The post, and the questions asked were intended to elicit a
response from -Pamela- (who made the original statements) and to
hopefully get some clarification of -her- statements. Nothing
sinister or terrible about that. Asking someone to clarify a
statement they made is not "debunking." Unless the meaning of
the word "debunk" has changed while I slept. <G>

Your 'contribution' to the thread goes on to state:

>Those that claim they can easily
>make this distinction -- or that such a simple distinction can be
>made -- are probably not demonstrating the self-awareness
>necessary to even begin to make this distinction.

That's easy for _you_ to say! <LOL>

But, I (and others) do think that _it is_ important to make
distinctions between stuff that happens strictly between ones
ears and -actual- external physical events.

I am becoming convinced that 'certain folks' are confusing what
they themselves label "spiritual" or purely "mental" experiences
with actual physical abductions. (Which is a whole other kettle
of fish!) Because -their- experience is purely
"mental/astral/spiritual" they assume that it`s _that way_ for
the rest of us.  Not so.

The distinction has to be made. Some folks are just "tripping."
It's time we made those differences of 'experience' clearer. If
you want to call that "debunking" or "devaluing" then I can't
stop you. But that's _not_ what it is Skye.

I'd still like to hear (Pamela's) responses - if any. Thank
you.

Peace,

John Velez




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