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Re: Occam's Razor and UFOs

From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:56:02 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:10:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Occam's Razor and UFOs


>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Occam's Razor and UFOs
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:31:56 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>From: RobIrving@aol.com
>>Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:54:24 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Occam's Razor and UFOs

>>>This seems clearly to show Rob, that you are focused on popular
>>>culture while knowing little about UFOs. Of the ten cases I
>>>cited, at least 5 are classics, cited in multiple references.

>>Let's get this straight. Is your complaint that I don't memorize
>>cases, as perhaps you do, or that I can't be bothered to get off
>>my comfy chair and look them up? Either way, Mark, I can take
>>the heat, but it's a non-issue in my book, or would be if I
>>could only be arsed to reach for the book and check.

Rob,

>There is no question that none of us have all of the facts of
>any case in our minds at any time. That's why we write things
>down and we have libraries. But by the same token, without a
>mind well-populated with fundamental data, it would be
>impossible for us to start putting together a schema of how the
>data fits together, and from that to proceed to a reasonable
>hypothesis.>

>Let me give an example.

>I am very interested in the luminosity of UFOs. To come to any
>conclusions on that, I am constantly thinking about the exemplar
>cases of UFO luminosity, as I select them based on credibility
>and level of detail. I know that there are things which any
>theory of UFO luminosity will have to explain, and these are
>illustrated in various cases:

>1) Moreland shows that the UFO luminosity at the rim has the
>appearance of flames, that it can rotate around the rim at high
>speed, that it can counter-rotate, that its color can be orange
>with a green core. It suggests that the temperature is not high,
>because despite closeness and brightness, the witness felt
>little heat, and that only on departure.

>2) Beaver Falls shows that some UFO luminosity can be invisible
>to the naked eye and yet emit strongly enough in to affect film
t>o the same level as visible luminosity as bright as the full
>moon. The invisible portion of the luminosity must be able to be
>at least partly focused by a camera lens, which leaves out
>direct stimulation of the film by radiation higher than UV or
>lower than IR.

>3) Tulsa, OK, 1965 indicates that UFO luminosity can exist in
>discrete patches on the surface of the UFO, and that it exhibits
>what may be limb darkening, that its colors are red, yellow and
>green, and that it may be layered, with a lower red layer and an
>upper green layer with yellow between.>

>4) Levelland indicates a connection between UFO luminosity and
>EM effects, since one witness noted their headlight brightness
>varying inversely with the variable brightness of the nearby
>UFO.>

>If I don't know the cases, then I can't know what needs to be
>explained.


I realize you were just giving a few examples, but here is
another if you are interested in luminosity. This is important
because it is one of the few where luminosity could be
calculated because (a) the image on film indicated how much
radation in the visible spectrum was captured by the camera,.
and (B) a good estimate of distance was available. I refer to
New Zealand, with multiple witnesses, radar and color movie
film. Estimated radation in the bandwidth of the film (visible
spectrum) was equivalent to several hundred thousand watts of
incandescent light...i.e., several hundred thousand watts of
light bulbs would be needed to make an equivalent image.


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