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Air Still Very Active Over North Sea

From: Joseph Trainor <Masinaigan@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:23:40 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:39:37 -0400
Subject: Air Still Very Active Over North Sea

Dear List:

Here's the latest on the disappearance of the RAF Tornado
over the North Sea yesterday. It's beginning to sound like a
repeat of last year's incidents involving Capt. Craig D. Button
and Capt. Amy Svoboda of the USAF.


To: Masinaigan@aol.com
From: "Paul Hunter" <gscribe@thefree.net>
Subject: Re: Air still very active over North Sea
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 15:53:34 PDT

Dear Joe,

Please read all of this, as it was composed 'on the hoof', I
think I eventually got most of your info on this awful tragedy,
I went straight to source as far as I could.



We don't receive a local paper, so all I can tell is this:-

The first I heard of it was on ITV/ITN's 6 o'clock evening news
on Monday June 15, this was then followed up by our local news
supplements on both BBC1 and ITV:- "Look North" (BBC1), and
"Calendar" (ITV/Yorkshire TV).

But by late evening, the story had been relegated to a local
news item only. By this time the bad news was that the wreckage
had been found 20 miles North of Flamborough Head (a promontory
in between the North East coast English resort towns of
Scarborough and Bridlington), this makes the crash site about 60
miles North of where I am, and about 85 miles North of RAF

At this point only one body had been found (dead), I don't know
which one, but there were two airmen involved:

Derek Lacey and William Vivian. I'm sorry but I didn't catch
their respective ranks, & I'm unsure of the correct spelling of
their names. Both were from Lancashire though.

Maybe a quick check of the BBC's new site or perhaps the
Electronic Telegraph - both have search facilities to verify
names etc?

The late evening "Look North" on BBC1 told us that the body and
wreckage had been found at 7pm after a "massive" search
involving RAF Sea King helicopters and also RAF Nimrods. A Sea
King found the site. We were told that three Tornados had been
out on a "routine training exercise", when one of the jets had
gone missing from radar screens at 1pm June 15th, after that a
search was mounted.



I'm now on a self imposed lunch break, & so I've just checked
with the Grimsby Evening Telegraph's newsdesk (our local paper):
they're putting the story in todays edition Tuesday 16 June.
They were able to tell me this:-

William Vivian was the Squadron Leader which is a surprise - the
man in charge of the "routine exercise";

Flight Lieutenant Derek Lacey was navigator.

They were not sure who is still missing, although a new search
is supposed to be going on as I type, so this could become clear


Ok, I've just phoned RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire (about 25
miles South of where I am) at 3:05pm on [44] (01526) 342581 and
I've established the following:

It was No 29 Squadron. Apart from that they don't know which
airman is still missing.

As a sidebar I'll just mention that Angela Walsh the Community
Relations Officer who I spoke to at 3pm today June 16 was quite
suspicious of me, even slightly hostile, even though I was very
careful not to seem ghoulish - she very quickly wanted to know
who I was etc. (It's hard to express sorrow for people you don't
know over the phone even if you feel it, though I was tactful).
Also, the man at reception claimed not to know which squadron
was involved, which is not credible to me.

One last piece of late breaking news. At 3.20pm the local ITV
afternoon "Calendar East" has just this minute reported that the
salvage operation has found the flight recorder, hopes are all
but gone for the remaining airman

Hope this is useful. If you're busy I'll check things out again.


BTW on June 12 BBC1's "Look North" it was reported that there
had been a power surge of 400 volts reported as happening in the
Yorkshire region (I don't what date, but presumably recently).
No explanation was given, but it was revealed that Yorkshire
Electricity had to replace a lot of parts due to 'burn out'.
Reminds me of New Zealand - no explanation, burnt out
transformer etc.

Three different meteors? World-wide, this has been happening a
little too much for coincidence lately. Can I ask you where
you're getting the info on this story - I tried all day Saturday
and Sunday with limited results, is it just news agency sites?

I've been on this msg so long it's nearly time for another meal!


Paul Hunter



> Dear Paul:

> You're right. It was 14 months ago when Capt. Craig
> R. Button inexplicably turned his A-10 away from a
> training flight in southern Arizona and flew 800 miles
> to the north, disappearing from radar over the Sawatch
> Mountains of Colorado. The crashed A-10 was eventually
> found on New York Mountain, a high wilderness peak
> near the ski resort of Vail.

> The RAF Tornado's disappearance over the North Sea
> is equally puzzling. Especially considering June 11's
> "meteor" incident, which I understand has now been
> "explained" as three separate meteors, and the June 12
> UFO sighting over in Boyle, Eire. (Yes, Boyle is active
> once again.)

> On which news broadcast did the Tornado item
> appear? Was it BBC-1 or BBC-2? Was there anything
> on this case in the local newspapers? If so, could you
> email me a copy of the newspaper story, listing the
> paper's name and the date the item appeared? Failing
> that, can you send me the basic details--pilot's name,
> time of disappearance, RAF squadron number, etc.
> I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks!

Joe Trainor

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