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Re: Secrets & Conspiracies [was: Who is Jermome

From: "Stanton T. Friedman" <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:29:25 -0300
Fwd Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:32:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Secrets & Conspiracies [was: Who is Jermome

> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:24:00 -0500 (CDT)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Who is Jerome Clark?

> >To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Who is Jerome Clark?
> >Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 10:42:49 PDT

> <snip>

> >It is unfair, not to mention false, to characterize Stan Friedman
> >-- or Donald Keyhoe, for that matter; Mr. Brookesmith also
> >mentioned him in the same breath -- as a conspiracy theorist.
> >Stan's view, like Keyhoe's (and my own, for that matter, at least
> >on some days), is that a small official group of individuals with
> >the proper clearances and need to know is holding significant UFO
> >secrets. Stan was an early and forceful critic of the real
> >conspiracy theorists (Lear, Cooper, and their ilk), who conjure
> >up a Secret Government not only hiding UFO truths but controlling
> >the world.

> <snip>

> All well and good, Jerry, but no one, you and Friedman included,
> has ever explained how this "small official group of
> individuals" would operate in reality. Or, for that matter, how
> it could have remained small in light of so much "significant
> UFO secrets" (Roswell crash, possible bodies, and dare I say
> abductions?) to withhold. Friedman at least admits that he
> believes ET wreckage was recovered 50 years ago at Roswell,
> bodies possibly included, and that something very much like
> MJ-12 arose in its wake.

> Do you believe in MJ-12, even if only rhetorically, as the small
> group of individuals withholding significant UFO secrets, and if
> so, isn't that pretty much the definition of a conspiracy to
> cover-up and withhold?

> But how could bodies and recovered ET technology be limited to
> such a small official group of individuals with the proper
> clearances and need to know? If you had this sort of secret in
> your possession, you would bring in the people necessary to
> ultimately solve the problem, no matter how many were required,
> just as happened with the Manhattan Project. You wouldn't keep
> the investigating (or, rather, "knowledgeable") group small just
> *because* the evidence was so monumental in its importance. Just
> the opposite.

> In fact, if anything remotely resembling
> Roswell-as-half-advertized had actually happened, there would be
> no way that a small official group of individuals could clamp a
> lid on anything -- because they could never be sure that another
> Roswell wouldn't happen the next month or year anywhere in the
> country or the world, thus invalidating the "secret." They would
> had to have had at least a local contingency plan for any
> possible scenario, say, the crash of another UFO in downtown
> Cincinatti or Cleveleand, as opposed to the conveniently remote
> desert Southwest.

> The number of those that would have to be brought into the know,
> even if only a partial-know, grows exponentially from the moment
> Roswell as a UFO crash is admitted as a reality. You can't just
> recover real ET wreckage (and possible bodies) and say, wow,
> this is really something, we better let only a small official
> group of individuals in on this.


> There is an alternative, though, in the form of Corso's The Day
> After Roswell. He explains quite neatly how a small official
> group of individuals managed to not only maintain, but exploit,
> "significant UFO secrets." But perhaps you believe that scenario
> as well? No?

> Dennis

Sorry, but Dennis has misrepresented my views about secrecy and
MJ-12 and "smalll group"'. Chapter 10 "Scope of the Majestic 12
Activity" in TOP SECRET/MAJIC discusses this.

Keeping secrets is expensive but easy, and can involve
thousands of people.

The Enigma program, breaking and decoding German and Japanese
coded messages in WW 2 involved 12,000 pople.. nothing in
public for 30 years after the war according to a recent

The Corona spy satellite program, our first spy satllite, was
revealed in 1992 .. more than 30 years after it began. It
involved thousands of people and billions of dollars.

The Director of Central Intelligence has admitted the annual
black budget for work done under him is about 26$B. Billions
were spent developing and building stealth aircraft etc etc. I
don't consider Classified Development programs as
conspiracies... nor to be evil.

I demonstrate the coverup in my lectures with my infamous
heavily censored NSA and CIA UFO documents,with the OSI memo
telling its people NOT to follow their own rules when they
respond to FOIA requests from me about UFOs.

I read USAF Sectretary Quarles lies about BB SR 14 and then show
the data. Gets great laughs when I show the newly NSA "Released"
UFO documents. A couple of lines per page, but now using white
out instead of black ink.

Facts are the name of the game. Yes, of course, if people ask me
about motivations, I provide the best guesses I can. 40 years of
serious investigation and 14 years under security , and visits
to 18 Archives, and answering well over 30,000 questions at
colleges, professional groups, and in the media certainly should
have given me some insights.

Stan Friedman

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