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Re: The Ten Cases

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:46:17 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:46:18 -0400
Subject: Re: The Ten Cases

> From: RobIrving@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:38:04 EDT
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Ten Cases

> I can't find "suggestive" anywhere. "Indicative and evidential"
> was the crucial phrase. How's your memory? Or did you quietly
> move the goal posts while no-one was paying attention?

And here is my original post:

"I thought it would be interesting to find the cases which I
thought supported ETH."

"Obviously, each case tries to illustrate a different aspect of
the predictions I mentioned in my earlier e-mail. Any other
method of supporting ETH with cases frequently falls prey to
actually trying to prove OEH."

I should also have qualified by saying: These ten are a very
limited set of exemplars, and there are many other cases at least
equally well qualified, and probably some better, but here in the
middle of the night, off the top of my head, here are 10 cases I
think are suggestive, and whose veracity I would support.

These cases are, BTW indicative and evidential. What the heck
else does suggestive mean, anyway?

> >  Further, the
> >  fact that between 1 and 2 percent of cases have been found to be
> >  hoaxes tends to lower the probability of this case being a hoax.
> >  Finally, the presence of corroborating physical traces at the
> >  site, which were apparently not normal for the area, adds
> >  additional weight to the report.

> For reasons you may or may not be aware of, this segment was of
> particular interest to me. Can you explain the methodology by
> which you determine 'hoaxing'? How was this 1-2% arrived at?

The AF classified approximately that percentage as hoaxes. I
believe a similar result was obtained by the Condon Committee. To
the best of my knowledge there was either an admission or a
substantial detection of fraud by the investigating officer.

> >  To argue that a case is invalid because a hoax is easier to
> >  accept than the content of the report is ridiculous.

> I have never argued that. It's ridiculous to suggest that I have.
> I have no opinion on whether the Valensole case is 'genuine' or
> otherwise.

My apology. I'm not sure where this came from, but I certainly
was in error.

> >  To claim
> >  that the police simply shrugged concerning this case is a claim
> >  with no evidence.

> Similarly I have never claimed that. I asked you to tell me if
> there is any evidence that the police gave credence to the
> farmer's story.

Your comment:

"What was the police's interest in coming to a conclusion either

"If their response was any more than a Gallic shrug, please alert

According to Vallee, who has followed this case for over a
decade, the witness, "a former Resistance fighter, a
conscientious and successful farmer, ... is regarded as
absolutely trustworthy by the police authorities who investigated
this case under the direction of Captain Valnet of Digne."

> >  You suggest that this case is not necessarily any different from
> >  "sea-serpent" stories. Yet, why choose this analogy, except to
> >  follow a standard debunker's line of guilt by association?

> That analogy was one of three.  Instead of illuminating us with
> your reactionary side, why not confront the issue. What is the
> difference between reported 'visions' of, say, the BVM, and
> reported sightings of extraterrestrials? Is it simply because you
> - that's you Mark - are more inclined to believe one than the
> other?

It's the one who promotes the explanation on whom the burden
falls. Thus, please explain to me the similarity between visions
of the BVM, sea-serpent reports, anything else, and the ten cases
I cited.

I did, by the way, list the differences in my response to the sea
serpent analogy. It applies equally well to the BVM or ghost
stories. Perhaps you'd care to respond to that rather than
putting the onus on me to disprove that your analogies apply?

Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...

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