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Re: Secrets & Conspiracies

From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:01:52 -0300
Fwd Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:28:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Secrets & Conspiracies

> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:29:24 -0500 (CDT)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Secrets & Conspiracies [was: Who is
>   Jermome  Clarke?]

> >Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:29:25 -0300
> >From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Who is Jerome Clark?

> <snip>

> >The Corona spy satellite program, our first spy satllite, was
> >revealed in 1992 .. more than 30 years after it began. It
> >involved thousands of people and billions of dollars.

> >The Director of Central Intelligence has admitted the annual
> >black budget for work done under him is about 26$B. Billions
> >were spent developing and building stealth aircraft etc etc. I
> >don't consider Classified Development programs as
> >conspiracies... nor to be evil.

> But the Corona wasn't kept "secret" from the Soviets. They would
> have been working on their own version of same.

> It's also worth pointing out that secrets are revealed for all
> sorts of reasons, too. The Manhattan Project was betrayed for
> political reasons. There were only 15 copies of the so-called
> Pentagon Papers in existence. One of them found its way to the NY
> Times.

> And the difference between flying saucers and your average black
> budget project should be obvious. Someone directs and controls
> the black budget projects -- no one has control over the UFO
> phenomenon.

> Dennis

Sorry, Dennis, but the best monitors of the sky (radar and
satellites) and of "foreign" radio transmissions all produce
data that is all born classified, with sophisticated means of
communicating it. NSA  and NRO aren't just sitting there
twiddling dials.

Certainly spies have learned a lot. Certainly the Soviets knew
we were overflying the USSR. How could they admit it PUBLICLY?

The Manahattan Project was publicized the data Hiroshima was
destroyed.. not by the Soviet Spies who already knew about it.
The Soviets knew we were active in Cambodia during the Vietnam
war. They knew we were sending airplanes, sometimes crossing
their borders to monitor their defenses. They shot down some of
those planes. The American people didn't know about Cambodia,
U-2s, border pentrations.Large scale expensive secrets can be
kept from the public.. Every old timer I talked to years ago who
had been involved in government programs agreed with this idea.

The modern equivalent of MJ-12 knows what is going on. The
secret of the best UFO data, recoveries, etc is still being

I am not saying no secrets have been leaked, though often false
big secret stories were leaked to Av. Week and Space Technology
to confuse the Soviets. I have no idea why you claim that nobody
is running the UFO show. The CIA still hasn't released any
foirmerly TOP SECRET or SCI UFO materials. I hate to say it, but
absence of evidence (which would certainly be highly classified)
is NOT evidence for absence, especially when there are such
amounts of money to play with.


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