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Re: The Ten Cases

From: John Rimmer <johnr@magonia.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:14:32 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 05:25:27 -0400
Subject: Re: The Ten Cases

>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:14:35 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: The Ten Cases

>>Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:36:10 +0100
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: John Rimmer <johnr@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Ten Cases

<snip>

>>Most hoaxes are done for the hell of it.

>Well, there's a scientific pronouncement.

Really? I thought it was just blindingly obvious.

> Actually, no, most
>hoaxes are done for some form of psychological gain, which was
>the gain to which I referred.

If so, you could have been a little more precise. When most other
people talk about hoaxes "for gain" the context suggests they're
talking about financial gain. My point *was* that most hoaxes are
done for some sort of psychological gain ('getting one over on
Herr Professor', for instance, but...

> This is true even when the hoax
>leads to financial gain. I have never seen a study as to the
>proportion of hoax acts, even in the UFO field, which led to
>financial gain as opposed to those which were done to attain
>psychological satisfaction. But I am certainly willing to accept
>that no sign of a motive to attain psychological or financial
>gain through one's UFO report is ONE of the hallmarks of the good
>witness and the good report.

...how on earth are we supposed to find out any sign of a motive
for psychological gain, short of the hoaxer sitting there rubbing
his hands and muttering "fooled you"! Sorry, but I just don't
believe any ufologists are good enough psychologists to work this
one out. (I doubt if many psychologists are good enough either...
I just mention Munchhausen's Syndrome here in the hope that it
might start another hare off across the green fields of UFO
UpDates.)

>And let's not forget that even the AF couldn't ascribe more that
>2% of their cases to hoaxes,

Don't forget the Air Force is a public body which is aware that
if it went around accusing too many taxpayers and voters of being
hoaxers it would be liable to get it's ass sued off and have some
angry elected representatives causing problems. If any AF
investigator *did* suspect a hoax it would in most cases be very
carefully tip-toed over by the public relations guys.

>a finding which I believe can be
>reproduced by most UFO organizations as well.

For some reason I'm not surprised by this.


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