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Re: Secrets & Conspiracies

From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:38:07 -0300
Fwd Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:10:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Secrets & Conspiracies

> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:55:41 -0500 (CDT)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Secrets & Conspiracies

> >Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:40:02 -0400
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Secrets & Conspiracies

> >>And the difference between flying saucers and your average black
> >>budget project should be obvious. Someone directs and controls
> >>the black budget projects -- no one has control over the UFO
> >>phenomenon.

> >>Dennis

> >Dennis,

> >It would seem to me that this is another conclusion reached without
> >sufficient evidence.  How do you KNOW that no one has control over
> >the UFO phenomenon.

> >I am not arguing that someone does, just that we don't really
> >know since we don't know yet what the UFO phenomenon is.

> >We have far too much jumping to conclusions here.

> >Bob

> You have to start *somewhere*, Bob. Or, as Charles Fort said,
> "One measures a circle beginning anywhere."

> What I meant was that no one is in charge of keeping the UFO
> phenomenon a secret from anyone or we wouldn't have any case
> reports. Put another way, Vallee once said the AF could no more
> cover up UFOs than they could the Andromeda galaxy, because there
> was nothing to prevent your hauling a telescope into your
> backyard and having a look for yourself.

> If I didn't want you to get at the gold in Fort Knox, however,
> that would be pretty readily manageable.

> No conclusions were jummped here, nor were any adjectives
> stretched or otherwise harmed in the formulation of this
> argument.

> Dennis

The analogy with Andromda is a false one. Andromeda is there,
many telescopes are available and we all know where to look.

We don't have access to the classified data obtained by
satellites, by sophisticated radar, by aircraft with EM
monitoring equipment, nor to the data obtained by NRO, NSA,
laboratories testing wreckage evaluating bodies, etc.

There is an enormous difference between somebody standing gawking
at the sky watching a UFO and the kind of information that I as a
scientist want. There is instrumentation available, but nothing
without a need to know.

The analogy is false.

Stan Friedman

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