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Re: Working Together For An Ultimate Goal

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:37:20 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:53:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Working Together For An Ultimate Goal

>From: Erica Furgison <believer17@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Working Together For An Ultimate Goal
>Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:20:35 PDT

>>From: Max Burns <AlienHype1@aol.com>
>>Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:42:12 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Working Together For An Ultimate Goal


>>We must unite after all we are all in search of the truth.

>>Its time to draw a line in the sand, and start working together,
>>it is not important to squabble about who is right and who is
>>wrong that only serves the agenda of those who seek to slow down
>>our quest for answers.


>>It is time face the facts we need each other if we are going to
>>get to the bottom of this large enigma wrapped up in a riddle in
>>our quest to uncover the truth.

>>Best regards
>>Max Burns


>Even though you are right poeple with different beliefs will investigate
>different solutions.Someone who believes that ufo's are of terrestrial
>origin will not be able to accept the proof that ufo's are of
>extraterrestrial origin, and visa versa. Each person will only see the
>proof that they want to see. This will create more argument and debate
>and leave us no better off than we were before.

>Erica Furgison

Hi Erica & Max,

I think you are both taking a rather 'innocent' view of the
nature of change, growth, and the 'how' of the way things tend
to evolve.

Look at your own life as an example. When we first begin to
socialize as children a part of what shapes us are the
criticisms of attitude and behavior (feedback) that we receive
from our friends and parents and families. The uncomfortable
feelings that we may get from time to time about ourselves only
serve to point out our weaknesses and areas that need
strengthening, change, improvement or modification. The same
thing is going on here - most of the time.

There is a fine line between critique and put down but most
folks are able to recognize it and respect it. Individual style
and expression also has to be gauged and taken into account.

There is a difference between a constructive criticism (pointing
out a weakness and personal attack. That's granted. Very little
of that ever goes on here because Errol ferrets/edits all of
that stuff out before it ever reaches your hard drive. It's ok
for people to argue and debate, it can make both participants
better/stronger if it is done right. Sometimes that kind of
thing speeds the evolutionary process along in much the same way
that conflict or war stimulates production and technical

What we have to watch for is the personal stuff not the
critiques themselves. The 'critiques' of one anothers work or
organizations _can_ be_ a healthy and positive thing, personal
attacks never are. Let people knock the rough edges off of each
other (improve and strengthen each other) without it causing you
concern. You can raise a red flag when it becomes personal.
Other than that, the criticism/debating is only a part of a
larger evolutionary process.

We are never going to be truly united until we've hashed out all
of our major differences and arrived at some kind of consensus.
We can't begin to work out those differences until we know what
they are. It's going to take a _long_time_ to accomplish, that's
for sure. But if you can raise your sights above the din/roar
for a moment you'll see that way down the road, consensus is
what we are all working toward. Ignore the skirmishes and
battles and concentrate on winning the war! Regardless of which
side of the fence we fall on, we're all in this boat together.
In a very real sense we are already 'united'. We are all here
with our differences and points of view trying to find the
common ground. On the surface it can look pretty sloppy but if
you dig underneath you'll see how we're all working together to
understand/improve one another.

One of the things that I love about UpDates so much is the
diversity of views represented here. Always going to be some
head butting and pissing-contests under these close conditions.
Nothing wrong with it though, just nature taking its course.

Focus on the future and where we want to be.


John Velez

[Merci John - succinctly put --ebk]

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