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Re: Secrets & Conspiracies

From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:37:18 -0500 (CDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:02:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Secrets & Conspiracies

>Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:45:33 -0300
>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Secrets & Conspiracies


>Dennis, I simply cannot believe that you honestly think that we
>common people have access to the same tools, equipment,
>monitoring devices and communications system as the NSA, NRO,
>USAF, NASA, etc. We can indeed all look at the sky.

>We don't have access to the monitors or the data.. The DCI black
>budget of $26Billion per year buys some pretty good stuff. Have
>you seen any of the look down data showing uncorrelated targets
>observed by the NRO or any of the look up radar monitoring of
>uncorrelated targets by the ADC.?

>The data is born classified; the capabilities are classified. Of
>course they can hide what data they obtain.

>I am truly incredulous at your naivete!!



I'm amazed at yours as well. After all, your're the one with the
physics degree. Don't you keep up with current developments in

I never implied that the military didn't have the better toys and
couldn't keep their own data secret. The issue is whether the
civilian toys -- which aren't controlled by the military -- are
good enough for our purposes.

For example, this afternoon I'll be picking up some shares of
CYMI, a civilian Star Wars spin-off that went public last
September. Another Star Wars spin-off that anyone can now pick up
for a hundred bucks or so is a handheld satellite positioning
device. If you want, you can buy Soviet military night goggles on
the open market. Five to ten years from now, all these
technologies will no doubt have improved by an order of another
magnitude or so. This will include high resolution civilian
satellite photography and of course all the tracking and
telemmetry equipment needed to launch and monitor same.

Yes, it's true, the civilian "spy" satellites presently in orbit
aren't as good as the military's, but the point is, they don't
have to be. If all you want is a picture of a flying disc with a
50-foot diameter, you don't need to be able to tell what brand of
cigarettes someone is smoking from space.

Here's a best case scenario of how UFOs *could* be investigated
today -- if one had the resources and money -- and how they
undoubtedly *will* be investigated in the not too distant

Joe Blow sees a flying saucer 50 feet in diameter at 12:15 in the
afternoon six miles south of Tucson. He uses his satellite
connection to mark his position, picks up his cell phone and
reports the sighting. He gets home, logs onto the Web, goes to
the civilian satellite photography service that was over Tucson
that day, keys in the time and his geographical coordinates, and
downloads the picture. (Not for free, of course.) He then blows
it up, and, presto, there it is -- a picture of his very own UFO,
which he promptly posts on his own web site.

Moreover, he's got a chain of unbroken evidence that even the
most devout skeptic would have a hard time debunking.

He could probably do even more, were he so inclined. For example,
he could search the Web for any university that might have
electronic or gravity monitoring stations in the area. He might
even be able to contact various radars in the area to see if they
detected anything. He might not get cooperation from everyone at
this time, but the point is the military would be completely out
of the loop. They wouldn't have been able to cover up the
sighting and evidence, in other words.

If it turned out that Tucson happened to be in the middle of a
flap at the time, he could set up a live videocamera and stick it
on his web site. Any of us could go there at any time and
skywatch without leaving our computer.

(It goes without saying that some of the above could be applied
to any willing repeat abductees, too.)

Welcome to the 21st century, Stan, and how long have you had
e-mail, anyway?

I'm constantly appalled at how behind the times most "modern"
ufology is. The head of one major "scientific" group still
doesn't have e-mail and has no intention of ever having e-mail.
He couldn't even get on the web if you threatened to break his
arm. And that's about how advanced half the field is. Most of the
"investigation" these days is done with a copy of Photoshop, when
it is done at all.

Time to get with the times, people!

If the NSA and NRO aren't going to share their data, if any, as
seems likely by now, then it's time to go out there and get our
own. The tools are in place now, and will only get better in the
months and years to come. Or we can bitch and moan about the
cover-up and sit around and swap saucer stories.

Dark Cloud

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