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Re: MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #4

From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:14:35 -0500 (CDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:01:52 -0400
Subject: Re: MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #4

>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: "Jerome Clark" <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #4
>Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 15:14:48 PDT

<Giant snip>

>> In fact, Clark doesn't like dwelling on particular cases, as
>> they always fall apart when subjected to careful, critical
>> examination - literary or otherwise. He prefers to rely on
>> the cumulative effect of hundreds of reports which, if taken
>> at face value, tend to suggest that the ETH might be a
>> rational explanation for them. He also praises the work of
>> Michael D. Swords who argues that the existence of
>> space-travelling ETs is possible. I entirely agree that it
>> is possible, but is it actual? What we need is hard
>> evidence, not scientific speculation.

>Here Harney staggers into the downright wacky. "Clark doesn't
>like dwelling on particular cases." What? Huh? Is this a joke? I
>have just had published a two-volume, 1200-page work (1035 of
>text) which "dwells on particular cases" in often greater detail
>than anywhere else in the literature, weighing evidence and
>judging which conventional explanations work and which don't,
>bringing to bear in a number of instances information heretofore
>unavailable, and pointing to a number of cases which stubbornly
>resist solution, for reasons about which I could hardly be more
>specific. Harney, you are full of ... erroneous assertions.


As far as the giant snips go, I think everyone is holding their
own. But as far as the "best case" scenario goes, I have to side
with Harney, unless Clark is willing to give us his best ten.
Harney seems to be saying the ETH argument is composed of a
series of cumulative errors. Clark (see above) says this isn't
the case at all, but cleverly avoids the ten best cases issue.

Would it help if we moved the goal post to twenty? The point --
which Jerry himself knows very well, whichever theory is
applicable -- is this and this only: which ten (20 or 30) cases
make your argument?

If you aren't willing to cite ten conclusive cases in favor of a
particular hypothesis, then one may be forgiven for wondering how
"conclusive" your argument is in the first place.

So the question remains (and seems unlikely to go away any time
soon): Which ten specific cases (you wrote the UFO encyclopedia,
after all, so ten cases should tumble off the tongue fairly
easily) do you find most evidential and supportive of an
Extraterrestrial Hypothesis?

No more generalizations, please, just your ten best cases. If
you've got fifty best cases, fine; we just want to see the first

Which ten ET-indicative cases are you willing to stand behind?


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