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Re: Friedman's Laws for 'Debunkers'

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:44:10 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:42:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Friedman's Laws for 'Debunkers'


>Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:48:23 -0300
>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Friedman's Laws for 'Debunkers'

Stanton wrote:

>As might be expected from PJK's 30 years of misrepresentation this
>is a very inaccurate description of what I have said and how I say
>it. In my longer college presentations I told the story of the CAUS
>actions against the CIA and NSA and show every page of the 21 page
>affidavit starting with very lightly censored to heavily censored,
>leading to laughter. Far more dramatic than just showing a few
>blacked out pages. Then I tell of the few very heavily censored CIA
>UFO documents it took me 5 years to get, (3 out of 14) which the CIA
>somehow didn't find and the NSA did. One page has 8 readable words.


There's no debate that some data which comes under the 'UFO'
category has been withheld, however, clarification of the NSA
document's contents and the NSA's submission was a welcome
insight into some factors which we must take into account.

The point was, if you arraign others as "demonstrating all 4 of
Friedman's laws for Debunkers", notably, "What the public
doesn't know, I am not going to tell them", it's a double-edged

No matter what you may, or may not, reveal to College audiences,
when addressing a nationwide TV audience of _several million_,
you stated on the question of a government 'cover-up', that this
was "easy to prove" and cited as evidence:

"A group of us went after the NSA. We found that they had over
150 UFO documents. They refused to release them to us, and to
the Federal court Judge".

Which was by no means a fair reflection of the true facts and
served only to suggest these documents had never been released
or further explained.

Would you disagree?

It seems to encompass an issue which Philip Klass raised in 'SUN

As an aside, you commented to Tim Matthews:

>Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:50:32 -0300
>From: "Stanton T. Friedman" <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Friedman's Laws for 'Debunkers'

>It is almost impossible to deal rationally with someone who makes the
>absurd claim "We all know that no alien craft crashed at Roswell and
>that MJ-12  is a fake." I know a number of scientists who accept
>neither conclusion. .. so your claim is obviously false...

'Roswell', was deserving of serious consideration as possible
evidence of an ET contact, albeit a painfully hard one.

But MJ-12? Taking a big step back and looking at this in a
realistic perspective, surely, given the dubious origins of the
'MJ-12' material and the consummate lack of any credible
supporting evidence, it's a 'millstone' on 'ufology' ever rising
beyond amateur hour.

It seems such obviously abject nonsense, that I would only
hesitate to compare it to the 'Flat Earth Society', if that
wasn't such a slur on the 'Flat Earth Society'.

E-mail: pulsar@compuserve.com

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