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Re: Friedman vs. Krauss Debate

From: Peter Brookesmith Mendoza <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:22:07 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 01:25:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Friedman vs. Krauss Debate

With the compliments, and feline smirk, of House Mendoza:

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: Friedman vs. Krauss Debate
>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 21:39:15 PST

This, and John Rimmer's post which it refers, are now
archived in the 10 000 gigabyte Mendoza Cray Archives in a
folder entitled 'Missing The Point' inside another folder
entitles 'The Strange World of Jerome Clark, Wandering Boy
Bishop'. Completion of the manuscript so far accumulated may
be a matter for my heirs, if they can be found in the covens
and ginnels and palaces of Alexandria, Marseilles, Bombay
and elsewhere, or it may keep me off the streets in my
declining years, or serve to pass the time while I languish
in the Tower of London for sedition. It is certainly getting
very large.

My point: Introduction. Jerome ploughs on for several
typically verbose [sic] paragraphs about the shortcomings he
perceives in the psychosocial hypothesis (PSH). Jerome
conveniently forgets how many times he has been reminded
that this is not one, but several, loosely interrelated
hypotheses, with a number of writers pushing their own
corners of an envelope on whose presice [sic] contents they
are not necessarily wholly agreed upon. No wonder he finds
it curious that "Magonia" printed a largely friendly review
of his Encyclopedia. He cannot tolerate ambiguity,

My point: Statement. Nowhere in John Rimmer's post do we
find an attempt to promote the PSH. Nowhere, even, do we
find it mentioned. What we find when we look, and read, and
mark, and learn, is an asseveration of a truth universally
acknowledged, that those fallen into a sympthay with the
extra-terrestrial hypothesis (ETH) have been reluctant to
produce - even recusant on the matter, as in the Boy
Bishop's case - specific UFO cases that are especially
suggestive of an ET "solution". Last time around Mark
Cashman had the balls to offer a list. This time Bruce
Maccabee unzips his list and stands up [sic] to be counted,
and finds he has more than ten. Good. Now let ten or more
brave souls do likewise, and perhaps, variegated as these
individual lists may be, we may find ten that all include.
Then we can set-to on them, at least.

My point: Variation. All this waffle, which verges on the ad
hominem, to which we know the Boy Bishop is ever too pure to
descend, about librarians and English majors (I am pleased
to be neither, so remain slightly baffled, if very bored
indeed, with the tireless repetition of this old saw) does
nothing to dispose of John's point that skeptics he has
known (in the UK at least) have come to their current
condition, perhaps best characterized by Raymond Cahndler's
[sic] phrase "the dewy-eyed innocence of used-car salesmen",
through hard work and wide experience. Helpful advice from
the Boy Bishop for such good folk to "really get out more"
is at best supercilious, at middle oblique, at worst plain

My point: Second statement. We may choose to divine from the
fine spray of this Diocesean Discourse that St Jerome has a
certain fondness for the following UFO cases:

1. RB-47, as analysed by Brad Sparks
2. McMinnville, as analysed by Brad Sparks & Bruce M'bee
3. The Coyne helicopter case, as analysed by J. Zeider
4. Unspecified EM cases (vehicle stops)

After that, generalities, and some of the usual heroes
(saints) ofered [sic] devotions (a ritual recognizable by
the prodigious amount of arm-waving indulged by the
officiant). But here we have a start. We could probably add
the Trans-en-Provence case, which we recall the Boy Wonder
[sic] has defended in the past here & elsewhere. Well,
that's half way. Perhaps another five could be squeezed or
seduced out of the beardless lad, and we might be somewhere
near some insight into the nature of the holy relics hidden
in the mildewed crypts of Canby Cathedral!

My point: Coda. It's observable - and, "of course, of some
mild psychosocial interest in itself" - that the Blessed
Jerome offers us not _cases_ that may perhaps support the
ETH or even demolish the PSH, but interpretations of those
cases as admirable. Thus yet another layer of thought is
interposed between the original experience and its
assessment. While the Boy Bishop becomes in my darker
moments a prime candidate for the next Archbishop of
Canterbury, so broad is his mind and his fudgery and his
reluctance to express his own true ufological wisdom, it
does also occur to me that PSHers the world over are
justified in wondering when this scholar of canonical texts
last considered the nature of actual experience, or even got
outside his front door, rather than promoting what somebody
said about what somebody said about what somebody said about
what someone else may or may not have seen when the small
rain down did rain on a rainy night in Georgia, or Wigan
pier, or Jericho. This layering and re-interpretation alone
justifies a psychosocial approach to what is loosely called
"the UFO phenomenon". Meanwhile, the needling of actual
individual cases in the pages of "Magonia" sails right past
the point on top of the Boy Bishop's head, which so nicely
matches the one on his slightly skew-wiff mitre.

best wishes
Popejoan D. Macarius
Indulgences To Go

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